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mikeweiss 2 hours ago

Whos paying the telcos for those 5G connections and also has the FCC been degraded so much that they would allow for undeclared radios in consumer products?

FuriouslyAdrift 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

More likely 4G LTE MTM (https://www.verizon.com/business/products/internet-of-things...). It's dirt cheap and paid for by the vendor of the device it is in (usually) in the name of 'telemetry'.

I've seen so many random industrial devices and parts come into our plant that have their own cellular it's wild.

mikeweiss 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

You really think these are in TVs going unoticed and someone is paying for each radio?

FuriouslyAdrift 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

I have $100 devices in industrial devices that have them. In bulk, they cost next to nothing (not quite as cheap as RFID but getting there).

jcims 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My truck (Ford) has some cell connectivity that I’ve never paid for. At scale it’s likely very inexpensive.

throwaway85825 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Secret 5G is not as common because there is a huge incentive to resell the free service. Maybe with eSIM it will be harder. Kindles uses to have a free data plan SIM.

bluGill 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Telcos sell off peak only 5g for cheap. Only to large companies that are willing to work with the limits. Often it is low bandwidth.

ethin an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The FCC is literally powerless nowadays for all intents and purposes. They've abrogated so much of their authority to the states now that they might as well be eliminated. What little authority that remains with it is bought and paid for to the point that I'm sure you could get anything "approved" if you wanted.

mschuster91 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> has the FCC been degraded so much that they would allow for undeclared radios in consumer products?

Well... most TVs already have a WiFi/BT chipset for stuff like advertisements or, especially with Apple, high-bandwidth video streaming. There is already a radio module present, but (IIRC) you don't have to disclose what exactly that module is capable of.

sroussey 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You definitely are required to disclose what frequencies are used and at what power.

mikeweiss 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Uhh yes you absolutely do need to disclose exactly what each is capable of. Each radio must itself be approved by the FCC and documented