spinning up fabs takes ages, micron has a US fab started bulding in 2023, its still not operational (projected to start mid-2027)

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coldtea 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That proves that spinning up US fabs takes ages.

Chinese fabs might not be so tied with red tape and regulation upon regulation (which is a funny reversal, in terms of "communism vs capitalism" bureucracy/inefficiency cold war thinking)

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buckle8017 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The Chinese don't have access to new EUV machines.

All of their fabrication ability is based on old processes.

	▲	coldtea 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Not so sure about that: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/how-china-built-its-manh...
	▲	cayleyh 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		DDR5 is DUV not EUV

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ralusek 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

1.) China is not communist, even remotely so. China is fascist in every sense of the word.

2.) Authoritarianism can move faster than anything. They can just say "wipe out that village, build the coal plant there, data center here, fab here.

3.) If it's red tape and regulation holding the US back, then that's clearly not "capitalism."

	▲	narrator an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I think the most ironic fact of the 21st century is that there are less than 20,000 naturalized citizens in China. Western leftists don't really have a good explanation for that one and it definitely leans into the fascist characterization.
	▲	coldtea an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		>1.) China is not communist, even remotely so. China is fascist in every sense of the word. Except in the actual historical sense. They appear to enjoy all sorts of freedoms, increased prosperity, even have elections at different levels but under a single party system. Which is not necessarily that different than a effectively two party system. >2.) Authoritarianism can move faster than anything. They can just say "wipe out that village, build the coal plant there, data center here, fab here. Now that China is more effective, "it's easy because they're authoritarian". Before the argument was "authoritarianism can never be as effective as free-market democracy". >3.) If it's red tape and regulation holding the US back, then that's clearly not "capitalism." It's real world capitalism, not some fantasy some guy imagined removing all warts.