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voidmain 2 hours ago

We are really getting to the point where the tech industry must be stopped if humanity is to continue at all, let alone thrive.

sebastianconcpt 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I share your concern but the generalization is improper (that as solution would be infinitely far worst than the problem)

tefkah 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This does indeed seem comically evil. While surely this may provide somewhat interesting insights in how our brain processes things, this seems squarely past the "should" part of "you scientists were so obsessed with whether you could you failed to consider whether you should"

p-e-w 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> This does indeed seem comically evil.

And I have yet to see a single paper like this where a researcher bails out and publicly says they refuse to work on such projects. Not one.

The most benign interpretation of this observation is that science is filled with spineless opportunists who don’t care who they hurt with what they create. A slightly less benign interpretation might be that many of these people are doing this deliberately, and getting off on the sense of power it gives them.

QuadmasterXLII 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I was asked to train a neural network do detect how much pain a mouse was in- our partner company would be responsible for hurting and filming the mice. I refused and subsequently quit- this produced no paper and I don’t know if they got someone else to do it. I probably should have done something stronger.

rightbyte an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When skip level bosses on my last job wanted to do boneheaded things in automotive design they usually had to keep asking different engineers until they got a yay.

When it is pushed from the top it is hard to stop at ground level.

Cakez0r 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In their defence, don't shoot the messenger. Just because they published it doesn't mean that others haven't already discovered it. Better to know its possible than be completely ignorant.

Arodex 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Then maybe publish the results, but don't publish the "how to".

pishpash 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Would it be better if this was done on monkeys? Because people did that before this in silico digital brain stuff.

pishpash 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

These aren't scientists. They are techbros. That's why it comes out like this.

renyicircle 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd say we're already well past that point. Short-form "content" already exists and is messing with people's brains, this is the same thing just taken a few steps further. By the time the tech companies start using it, it will already be too late and we'll be left discussing whether the next man-made nightmare they come up with is the point where the tech industry must be stopped.

dr_kiszonka 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I get that people see this and think: ads and social media. My first thought was cognitive neurorehabilitation and brain stimulation.

Realistically, probably ads, but maybe not only that?

(AI start-up idea: one of our ads a day keeps dementia away! /s)

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fnoef 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You can't say things like this on this website. On here, every new tech thing is a "progress" /s

jeffrallen 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Progress, but towards what?

zx8080 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ads efficacy, of course.

qsera 29 minutes ago | parent [-]

Advertisements actually run the world. Imagine a world without ads. The economy would grind to a halt. It is exploitation and manipulation, but that enables creation of large capital, which leads to great things. In the past it was pyramids and temples, and in modern times it is space exploration, scientific research and other things that require huge capital. Even the current advances in AI/LLMs are made possible by mass exploitation.

Without ads and exploitation of the masses, none of these would not be possible.

fnoef 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Please tell me how ads help science research or why should I care about space exploration or LLMs that threaten me and hundreds of thousands of other peoples jobs?

jurgenburgen 13 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Can’t tell if this is satirical or serious. Those ancient wonders were enabled by slave labor, treating people as “capital” is the ultimate climax of capitalism.

StefanBatory 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Think of the shareholders and Capital. Money matters more than human, commie. /s