Today's SOTA also sounds totally sufficient to me, but I wonder how much our standards will inflate by 2028. Maybe a lot, maybe not at all...very hard to say.

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anon373839 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This seems to vary by person. I get immense value in coding assistance from Qwen 3.6 35B-A3B which is like a frontier model from a year ago. But a lot of people say it’s stupid, useless, a toy, etc. I do work by the “short leash” method and mainly just use the model for brainstorming/planning/design assistance and zipping through the drudgery of boilerplate and executing refactors. I don’t think this tier of model is good for “hey LLM, build me a Github clone” ... but I also don’t see the value in that use anyway.

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tharkun__ 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Caveat: I have not been able to try that model locally, so no personal experience. Running this locally at usable speeds would be cost prohibitive for personal coding use for me.

But if we can believe you that it's doing what a Claude model was doing a year ago then I'd say: OMG no I really never want to go back to that level of frustration getting an agent to do what I want it to do.

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3836293648 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Could you expand more on what you do with qwen3.6? Because I couldn't get the denser 27B version to do trivial "take this pattern, repeat it over a single file with minimal thought, just slightly beyond what I can do with sed" reliably.

	▲	kgeist 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		How was qwen3.6 launched? The thing is, everyone has their own variant of "qwen3.6 27b" depending on the launch parameters, ranging from "SOTA in its class" to "completely broken"

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dyauspitr an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> I don’t think this tier of model is good for “hey LLM, build me a Github clone” ... but I also don’t see the value in that use anyway.

What could be more valuable than outputting the exact thing you asked for?

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stingraycharles 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Looking at how critical we are about today’s models, vs where we were last year, and I don’t expect anyone to be content with Fable-class models in 2028.

Expectations seem to be rising at a faster rate than models can improve.