  > discovered the "life hack" of having an extremely inadequate network

The article covers this. Ambulance providers are strongly incentivized not to join insurance provider networks, and as a result more than 80% of ambulance rides in the US are “out of network”. So the inadequacy of the network is probably not the insurer’s fault.

▲ xp84 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Be that as it may, the law in California forbids the insurance company from refusing to pay at the in-network rate in an emergency. As evidence, I'd submit the claim they immediately paid when called out on this.

If the insurance company weren't cynically exploiting people's lack of knowing their rights, they'd at least send a form letter to the patient saying "Please send us whatever proof from the hospital that you had a legitimate emergency and if approved, we'll pay <insert details> percent." Instead, they pay nothing, shove their fingers in their ears, and let the balance bill come to the patient, and hope nobody tells on them.

The only ambulance rides that should be billed like this are frivolous ones, like if someone is rear-ended at 1MPH, are unharmed, and they lay on the ground and fake an injury and demand to be transported to try to support a fraudulent legal case.

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SpicyLemonZest 4 hours ago | parent [-]

But isn't the California law requiring the insurance company to act as a sin-eater here? They seem to be the only people you were frustrated with, even though they are not the ones who charged you $1000.

	▲	xp84 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		They had the duty to pay and they try to trick every one of their customers into not realizing that, so that's why I'm only mad at them. I acknowledge that the CA law is forcing them to, in the mechanism the article covers, causing them to subsidize other people's care, and this is happening in many areas of healthcare too. Though those costs are surely accounted for when they set their premiums, which for 2025 amounted to just over $32,000 for my family.
	▲	JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> isn't the California law requiring the insurance company to act as a sin-eater here? American healthcare providers have done a pretty good job at transferring PR liability to insurers. Cost inflation, in America, is mostly a problem at the provider level.

▲ FireBeyond 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As an ex-paramedic and EMT, both with County Fire and private, there are absolutely those. But many-a-time, some of the blame falls on the physician. Medicare has, for one example, a lovely little form to fill out, just a few fields, mostly checks and multiple choice, to explain why the need for a "fully equipped BLS (or ALS) ambulance" was required, versus POV (private owned vehicle) or cabulance.

The number of times we'd have to hang out at the charge nurse's desk because the physician had scrawled a signature at the bottom of the form and nothing else, etc., was ... staggering.

If that doesn't give that reasoning (unable to stand steady, fall hazard, need for continuous O2, etc., etc., etc.) then no pay. And many insurers would use that same paperwork, not just Medicare. Could we fill it out ourselves? No. I'm not risking my EMS career to be at the center of a "ambulance company employees charged with medicare fraud" news story.