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fma 2 hours ago

>children have quickly found workarounds for such measures, such as asking friends to message them links, which can bypass restrictions when opened

I was very surprised of this by my own kids find workarounds like l33t hackers. Apple's restrictions are a joke. The app store is full of things they can mess with. My daughter mentioned some way to get around screen time.

I've ended up just taking the iPads away.

Grombobulous an hour ago | parent | next [-]

When I was a kid my parents wouldn’t give me a cellphone. I wanted to call my girlfriend. Well, really, my girlfriend wanted me to call her. A lot.

They didn’t give me one.

I ended up finding a way to get my own through a more apathetic adult who I could pay cash to cover my bill (only an extra $10/month on a family plan).

I certainly am not telling you to just cave in, but perhaps this story can be a reminder that technology you control is potentially better than technology you don’t.

bawolff an hour ago | parent [-]

What age groups are we talking here, because if we're talking about a 7 year old, giving them unfettered screen time is probably bad parenting. However if we are talking about someone old enough to have gf/bf its probably also bad parenting to not let them develop their own self control around technology. They have to be an adult eventually.

hamburglar 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I started my kid at 12 with an extremely locked down iPhone. She fights the restrictions at every turn and I have to make sure that she understands that finding loopholes is fun but also if I catch her violating the spirit of the restrictions there will be consequences. So she proudly tells me about clever workarounds she finds but still puts the phone away at the appropriate times. It’s kind of fun that she’s developing an instinct for subversion.

JoeBOFH 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

That’s how we handle it with ours as well. He found a way around a certain control and we opened a bug report with the vendor and it was acknowledged and fixed. He then realized he locked out other kids with that and laughed and tries to find more worth reporting.

Grombobulous an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was a teenager, if that wasn’t clear. But I was more of the mindset of lending a story, I can’t say whether or not it’s relevant to the parent commenter’s scenario.

szundi an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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Aurornis 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Australia was one of the first countries to institute social media bans under a certain age. Reading the reports and commentary from parents there has been fascinating, but not really surprising if you remember what it's like to be a kid.

The most positive thing I read was that the kids are spending less time on social media in front of adults (like at the dinner table) because they're not supposed to be on social media.

But most of the parents in the article I read believed their kids had circumvented the ban somehow. Their problem now was that the kids' social media use was entirely hidden from them and they had no way to monitor it or even bring it up with their kids. The kids didn't want to admit to using social media at all.

None of this should be very surprising for any of us who remember back into childhood. Circumventing the restrictions was a game with its own reward. I had friends who were finding ways to get around the school's internet controls for the fun of doing it, not because it blocked any sites they wanted to use.

wrs an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When my friend's kids were totally obsessed with League of Legends, I offered to set up a home firewall with increasingly difficult workarounds, so by the time they graduated high school they'd at least have a cybersecurity certificate and possibly a Ph.D in networking.

NuclearPM 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That’s how 80s kids learned computers and programming. Trying to install a game and having to lookup what the hell “fat32” was.

hamburglar 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

Dude. 80’s kids think of FAT32 as that new filesystem that supports more than 8.3.

senko 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

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jaggederest an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Adversarially train the children, rlai works on human brains too?

boredatoms 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

My childhood was filled with increasing escalations of restrictions to both the computer and the network, and my workarounds.

Excellent education

flippyhead 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I found it such a hassle to keep locked down I gave up. Like, he'd be so aware that he'd find ways to watch me enter the PIN code when adjusting the settings. I'd have to be ever-vigilant and I got tired of it.

PrimalPower 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I've concluded the only way to avoid workarounds it to reduce my own screen time. I stopped having a tablet myself. Got off the Iphone too.

I still need some smartphone for work. Got the smallest one possible so at least games aren't really fun.

qup 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Try discipline

nielsbot an hour ago | parent | next [-]

curious kind of discipline you have in mind.

kelnos an hour ago | parent [-]

Time-honored punishment: revoke various privileges for periods of time until they get it.

In this case, seems pretty topical to just take the phone away entirely for a few days.

mplewis an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

No one asked.

organsnyder 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Back in elementary school, I used Applescript in Hypercard to get around the restrictions on our school computers. Kids always find ways.

adamwk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We were once 1337 hackers too

robin_reala 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A friend was woken up by his young kid trying to surreptitiously lever his finger onto the TouchID sensor to pay for a game dlc.

basisword 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It seems like Apple put a big focus on 'kids mode' things this WWDC. To the point they dedicated a major section of the keynote to it. Hopefully a part of that will be focussed on the workarounds.