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10xDev 2 hours ago

Seeing the dramatic differences in scores just going from high to xhigh is just another demonstration of the bitter lesson: Just keep scaling search and learning. We are probably going to need a lot more GPUs.

bevekspldnw an hour ago | parent | next [-]

These aren’t raw base models they are the result of a ton of RLHF and various adjustments.

Bitter lesson wildly overstated in this context.

froh 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

rlhf = reinforcement learning from human feedback

(had to look it up)

altcognito 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

While I think this is true, remember as we get more efficient we just decide to scale even bigger. So more GPUs, and more efficient.

I agree with the sibling comment, effiency is probably the more important component at this point. We are hitting not just a practical engineering roadblock for scaling with current technology, I think we have definitely hit a financial and logistical roadblock for up scaling with the number of GPUs (on an immediate basis)

Salgat an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Kind of refreshing though that the "throw more processing at it" scaling we saw in the 90s has returned in a different way. For a while we were really bottlenecked in our advances by relatively low levels of parallelism (most software used by your average user doesn't scale cleanly with more than a few threads).

vatsachak 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean, theoretically you can solve every finitary problem with a brute force solution...

Richard Sutton specifically states that the search has to be smart. We know that the brain uses recurrent connections and is shallow. I think a lot more money has to go into architecture. Feed Forward transformers can only scale so far

emp17344 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This isn’t really how it works anymore. Agents rely heavily on tool use and the agentic harness to perform tasks. Pre-training is no longer very effective.

HDThoreaun an hour ago | parent [-]

I thought models werent allowed tools on arc-agi?

Razengan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> We are probably going to need a lot more GPUs.

Or a breakthrough in algorithms etc.

The human brain, heck all bio brains, are proof that you don't need a lot of power or size for intelligence.

ryandvm 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The human brain has 80 billion neurons and a 100 trillion synapses. I think you're underselling the processing power of that warm chunk of meat.

The real message of the last 15 years has actually been the opposite: if you throw enough processing power at it, intelligence emerges.

dbspin 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

Moreover we've known for quite a while now that glial cells also participate in cognition and moderate learning (e.g.: [1]). When you take those connections into account the numbers get really staggering. 85 billion glial cells with trillions of protein channels facilitating communication between the glial syncytium [2].

[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S193459091... [2] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5063692/

altcognito an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

20 watts for inference AND training!

aeyes an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

For intelligence, I expect the next breakthrough to be colocation of memory and compute in the same chip. And we'll need much more of this memory, probably a few petabytes.