I don't think he is attacking, he's just organising his thoughts publicly.

threatofrain 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

While organizing his thoughts publicly, Andrew says that the Bun team at large engages in outright fabrication. What do we think about that? Does Jarred and his team lie about professional matters to fellow peers in the field?

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hoppp 3 days ago | parent [-]

Maybe their concept of fuzzing is different?

Jarred commented on the top that they use fuzzilli , which is a javascript engine fuzzer.

But zig has a built in integrated fuzzer!

Andrew must have been talking about the built in fuzzer because that's what is associated with zig.

zig build test --fuzz

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threatofrain 3 days ago | parent [-]

The fact that Bun is the face of Zig owes to (1) its popularity in the relatively enormous web ecosystem and (2) that there aren't many winners in Zig. This means Bun leaving and rewriting to Rust, no matter how its phrased by any of the major parties, was always going to be alternatively reframed as one of the few major proponents of Zig leaving for Rust.

That's why this is a PR moment for Zig.

It's not because Jarred was a bad manager, one who overworks his team, a poor communicator, one who doesn't develop intimacy with the internal core team at Zig, an amateur coder, or a liar about whether or not they've been fuzzing.

	▲	hoppp 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		"The fact that Bun is the face of Zig" I think this is the core problem. I would rather see something like tigerbeetle become the face of zig, some project that is well written. There is nothing wrong with Jarred's mentality because it gets the job done, but I would be also angry if I was represented by a project I don't like.

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whimsicalism 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Sorry just organizing my thoughts on your comment publicly:

This person is credulous and naive, and I should take care to remember that if I see comments from them in the future.

	▲	hoppp 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		I would block you so you don't get exposed to my naivety lol but I don't know how. But take note so you don't comment on me next time.