| ▲ | cramer4next 4 hours ago |
| How is this hacker news worthy? Never heard of her or the song. Is from a time when people carried boomboxes on their shoulders? |
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| ▲ | nostrademons 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Before that. Her breakthrough album was 1977 and Total Eclipse of the Heart came out in 1982, so it was more the 8-track era. It remained a staple of radio plays (remember those?) through the 80s and 90s though, and was remade by Nikki French into a chart-topping dance version in 1995. A lot of HN is folks in their late 30s, 40s, and early 50s (and sometimes even older!), so many folks here would've overlapped with the radio era. A lot of folks here were involved in making YouTube/Instagram/TikTok, not listening to it. |
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| ▲ | avazhi 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | What does that have to do with whether or not this should be on HN? By your logic, literally anything from the '80s is appropriate for this site, which is obviously not correct lol. | |
| ▲ | masfuerte 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm old enough to remember Walkmans coming out in 1979, which was the start of the end of the boombox era. Approximately no-one was using 8-track at that point. | | |
| ▲ | runako 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not quite that old, but didn't people look down on cassettes due to their lower audio quality? Weren't most home systems (hi-fis) still vinyl or 8-track for a while longer? | | |
| ▲ | MontgomeryPy 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A big driver of cassettes then was the write ability, unlike 8 tracks. You could borrow your friend's new vinyl album, pop in a new cassette tape on your hi-fi, and record a copy of the album to the tape. Of course the Walkman then made listening to your new album fully portable. | |
| ▲ | mikestew an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No one used 8-track for the quality. It was portable, and it would play continuously (it looped), great for sitting with your honey in a secluded area. And the physical quality of 8-tracks weren’t great. Based on the number of 8-track cartridges I saw on the side of the road while out running, the tape would apparently come loose from the cartridge and render it unusable. By 1980, 8-tracks were relics being displaced by cassette. | |
| ▲ | bluGill 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They did. However vinyl was considered better than 8 track. Cassette was a lot more portable than 8 track, and so where portability mattered it won. Elsewhere vinyl was considered better than 8 track and so it won (a few years latter CDs came and won). Those who really cared about sound quality had reel to reel tape, but that was very rare. Almost no albums were ever released on reel to reel. You typically bought the vinyl and copied it to your own reels thus ensuring there were no scratches. |
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| ▲ | PurpleRamen 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Death notices of famous artists are regularly on HN. If people upvote it, it should be worthy. |
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| ▲ | krapp 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's not how it works. If upvotes alone mattered, HN would quickly degenerate into Reddit. The bar is whether "good hackers" would find this interesting. Death notices of famous artists are the definition of off-topic: "most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." If normies care about it, good hackers by definition probably don't. I flag this and every such thread I come across. If Hacker News is going to be consistent in its espoused principles, this is non-technical content and thus not welcome. If that standard applies to far more substantive stories regardless of the quality of conversation they produce, it must apply here as well. | | |
| ▲ | PurpleRamen 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > If upvotes alone mattered I did not say upvotes alone matter, but they should be the final say after all other mechanisms. > The bar is whether "good hackers" would find this interesting. If this were true, the majority of frontpage-entries would have to be removed. > "most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities,[..]If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." I guess the notable point here is "most" and "probably". The exception seems to be always news which are so important or dramatic that they are still not removed, and leaving the final decision to the upvotes. Which is why there are also regularly political and sometime seven sports entries (once or twice a year). Despite being called hacker news, reality is not binary and rules should not be handled like that. | | |
| ▲ | krapp 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | >but they should be the final say after all other mechanisms They shouldn't be, and they aren't. The mods make the final decision and they will work against the consensus when they disagree with it. This is a very aggressively curated community. >If this were true, the majority of frontpage-entries would have to be removed. Maybe the majority of frontpage entries should be removed. Maybe the "HN is turning into Reddit" people are finally correct. But that is literally what the guidelines say. On topic - "Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity." Off topic - everything else, with the minor exception of "some new and interesting phenomenon" to gratify that intellectual curiosity. I'm sorry but there is nothing new or interesting about the death of celebrities, and nothing about it to gratify intellectual curiosity. Their lives, maybe, but if someone wasn't worth discussing on Hacker News in life, they shouldn't be worth discussing post mortem. >The exception seems to be always news which are so important or dramatic that they are still not removed, and leaving the final decision to the upvotes. The final decision, in that case, is entirely up to the moderators. Threads with plenty of upvotes get flagged and stay flagged all the time. >Despite being called hacker news, reality is not binary and rules should not be handled like that. Maybe. But if there are grey areas, this doesn't seem like one of them. I don't see why far more substantive stories so often get flagged for "politics" or being "non-technical" even when they involve a pile of dead bodies, or why we police humor and emotion like signs of cancer, but we get to wallow in the nostalgia of every dead celebrity that comes along. |
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| ▲ | xnorswap 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I do think HN should have an obit: category and filter them out the main page. It's one thing to have obits for people who wouldn't be covered by regular news, but "75 year old celebrity dies" is not any kind of new phenomenon. It generates a decent amount of upvotes and discussion based on name recognition and nostalgia, but every thread is essentially the same, "Oh, that's sad, I liked their work, <personal anecdote of how they were touched by it>.". | | |
| ▲ | budsniffer952 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Nobody forced you to click on the article or jump into the comment section, did they? | | |
| ▲ | mcmcmc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It took the place of another more relevant story that could’ve been on the front page |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Meta: More often than I should have, I have emailed HN and asked "Why can you not extend/build/etc" this? And, as expected, we'd get into a great email discussion about why that would provide a meaningful improvement over the existing experience. This is a forum of builders, makers, and hackers, to their unspoken point. The primitives provided are "good enough," Hacker News is feature complete. To build this on top of HN in a browser extension or mobile app is trivial, and so, I'd say "If you want this, build it and share with us." Ask HN: Any good replacements for "Refined Hacker News?" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48845676 is an opportunity, for example. Show HN awaits for whatever you build. |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48614633 > Anything that gratifies intellectual curiosity is on topic for HN! - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
That doesn't mean it has to gratify your curiosity or mine - no single article can do that for everyone. But it's clear that that's what makes the article on topic. > One other aspect: the best HN submissions are the ones that are most uncorrelated with anything else that's gotten attention recently - or, as I used to put it, can't be predicted from any existing sequence There is a "hide" link for threads not of interest, I strongly encourage it's use to optimize your forum participation experience; if this forum is not to your liking, there are others potentially more suited to what you desire. > I flag this and every such thread I come across. If Hacker News is going to be consistent in its espoused principles, this is non-technical content and thus not welcome. If that standard applies to far more substantive stories regardless of the quality of conversation they produce, it must apply here as well. Mods can turn off flag capabilities per account, keep this in mind. You won't know if your flags are effective or not. | | |
| ▲ | avazhi 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > Anything that gratifies intellectual curiosity And no matter your view on the subject, a pop singer dying is not a topic that is capable of gratifying intellectual curiosity. It's about as banal as things get. | |
| ▲ | krapp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Mods can turn off flag capabilities per account, keep this in mind. You won't know if your flags are effective or not. I'm well aware, but I still do it on principle. | | |
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| ▲ | budsniffer952 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >The bar is whether "good hackers" would find this interesting. Who put you in charge of what other people find interesting? Get over yourself, loser. | | |
| ▲ | krapp 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You seem to be new here, welcome to Hacker News. Everyone is in charge of what you should find interesting and everyone will make it your problem. |
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| ▲ | splatzone 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Nah, occassional non tech stuff is very welcome. It’s interesting to see HN’s perspective on other things |
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| ▲ | heresie-dabord 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Next total eclipse, 2026-08-12. Total: Greenland, Iceland, Spain, Northeastern Portugal Partial: Northern North America, Europe, West Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solar_eclipses_in_the_... |
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| ▲ | madcaptenor an hour ago | parent [-] | | IIRC her best-known song saw a spike in popularity around the 2024 solar eclipse. (I know I played it a few times.) |
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| ▲ | swader999 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Every now and then
an article like this is fine. |
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| ▲ | a-french-anon 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's not even "geek music", to add to your perplexity. |
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| ▲ | sverhagen 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Maybe it's not. Guidelines: > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, (...) If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. |
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| ▲ | elzbardico an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well, historically, 1983 is: - 19 Years after the first superscalar CPU, the CDC-6600 - 10 Years after RFC-675, the first TCP version. - 14 years after the first ARPANET nodes where connected. - 1 year after Hopfield Networks, paving the way to Boltzman Networks around two years laters, demonstrating how neural networks could learn to solve complex problems. - The same year Kunihiko Fukushima developed his work on the Neocognitron for visual pattern recognition, a percursor for future work on Convolutional Neural Networks. - 3 years before first papers on Backpropagation in neural nets. - First paper on Reinforcement Learning with reward signals (Baron, Sutton and Anderson) - 3 years after first smalltalk release. - 2 years after IBM launched the PC. - 1 year after 3Com launches the first Ethernet board for the PC. - 1 Year after Sun Microsystems foundation. - Unix and C 15th anniversary. - 6 years after the first commercial relational database. - 11 years after the first vector processor (Cray-1), arguably the great-grandfather of all modern GPUs - The same year Borland released Turbo Pascal. - The same year Apple launched Lisa, and one year before the first macintosh. - 2 years before Intel launched the 80386 cpu. - 2 years before C++ first commercial release. Yeah, hardly a relevant year for us to discuss its culture on HN. |
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| ▲ | tekla 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Very famous singer, multiple very famous songs, 40 yo song topped the carts during the 2024 Eclipse, was pretty much the theme song for a very small indie movie called Shrek 2. |
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| ▲ | asimovDev 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think Shrek would be pro open source software and hardware if he knew what it was, so this makes it HN worthy |
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| ▲ | awnird 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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