Yes.

Chat Control 2.0 was the big one in those regards.

(Also, LOL @ Skype mention.)

Then I'm not very moved about this. I always assumed that anything unencrypted is scanned one way or another. What I care is not having a backdoor for E2E, i.e. like client-side scanning telling me what I am allowed to talk about like with the LLMs. CSAM excuse is a great excuse to turn every conversation to what we have with AI today.

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alanwreath an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I assume the same, but not because it’s sanctioned. Sanctioning is a slippery slope or a degree change as has been mentioned.

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stavros 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And the temperature of the frog pot rises by one degree.

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mrtksn 5 hours ago | parent [-]

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kode-targz 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I disagree. The definition of "bad actor" constantly changes. Something you do legally today can and will become illegal in the future, and if you don't change your ways, you will be a bad actor, too.

The people pushing for this under the guise of protecting children are the same people who went on The Island, or at least protect those who did. They never cared about children's safety.

The biggest criminals of all are the very same people pushing for these laws, this surveillance, this control. Don't be fooled.

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mrtksn 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure, the definition changes but whoever are the bad actors now create the desire to deal with them, which creates a motive or excuse to create or change systems for that. No matter how fair or unfair the treatment is, if you actually manage to stonewall that through technological or other means, those will be destroyed.

	▲	kode-targz 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I don't think I understand what you're trying to say in this comment, but if by: >if you actually manage to stonewall that through technological or other means, those will be destroyed You mean some kind of resistance against tyrannical policies, then those "other means", if I understand what you're saying, are often illegal. True resistance that causes true societal change isn't parading the streets with signs or talking to your local representative. It's sabotage, vandalism, and in extreme cases, violence. True activism. The surveillance state's main goal is disrupting such initiatives before they can even get off the ground.

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hnhg 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a metaphor for a process. Calling people names like "maxxers" is unhelpful and probably against the rules here.

	▲	mrtksn 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		>It's a metaphor for a process. Calling people names like "maxxers" is unhelpful and probably against the rules here. Yeah we don't mean frogs, that's obvious. Calling people maxxers being offensive is surprising. Maybe you should consider offended for being called cancer instead?

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bombcar 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't downplay Skype, as Teams is still just rebranded Skype for Business (LYNC).

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raverbashing 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are my AIM chats safe?! /s

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ibejoeb an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You should be using AIM OTR: https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/

	▲	Bender an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Adding to this there is pidgin-otr and python-potr. For IRC there is irssi-otr. There was weechat-otr but I think it may have gone unsupported as their script did not work in python3. There is also ejabberd [0] that has OMEMO [1] preferred over OTR and PGP and supports many to many E2EE. Someone tried to MitM Jabber, discussion here on HN [2]. [0] - https://ejabberd.im/ [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMEMO [2] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37955264

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mghackerlady 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You kid, but there are still some active AIM users (or at least, a revival of it)