| ▲ | Otek 7 hours ago |
| Slippery slope is fine and all but do you have any constructive argument? |
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| ▲ | ywvcbk 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Slippery slope is not a "fallacy" by default. It can be occasionally but its a perfectly reasonably argument in plenty of cases. |
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| ▲ | yladiz 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Sure, it's not a fallacy, but it does erode nuanced conversations and so it shouldn't be used without caution. | |
| ▲ | inigyou 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is a fallacy by default. The existence and slipperiness of the slope must be justified to make it not a fallacy. | | |
| ▲ | budududuroiu 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | The slipperiness comes from the fact that the EU already admits that scanning of private messages didn't improve the catching and prosecution of perpetrators. Also, the biggest lobbyists for breaking E2EE argue that criminals are moving to encrypted platforms, and targeting encrypted platforms is actually the thing we need to finally put a dent in stopping the dissemination of CSAM |
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| ▲ | netbioserror 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What "constructive" argument is anyone supposed to give about authorities having warrantless access to all private conversations? |
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| ▲ | ekjhgkejhgk 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Slippery slope" does not by itself invalidate an argument, because slippery slopes do exist. |
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| ▲ | miroljub 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Constructive argument? Just disband the EU as a whole, including all laws, treaties, contracts ... Europe would be a much better place if the EU stayed what it was, a trade union of sovereign nations without any political power over the people. |
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| ▲ | sham1 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How would this have worked in practice though? How could things like trade standards been harmonised or a common currency adopted without the trade union being able to do legislation? And once you get there, you're no longer a trade union. Or a trading block, which is probably the better word since a trade union already means something else. | |
| ▲ | inigyou 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It still is. Countries can ignore EU laws if they want to. | | |
| ▲ | BSDobelix 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not sure what you try to achieve: >For example, Poland was hit with massive daily fines when it was embroiled in a dispute over rule of law measures, as well as a separate case linked to environmental permits at a coal mine on the Czech border. >The Commission is allowed to take these fines out of that country’s EU budget allocation, preventing governments from simply refusing to pay up. https://www.brusselstimes.com/1568198/how-the-eu-punishes-it... |
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| ▲ | vrganj 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The EU was never just a trade union. |
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