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roboben 5 hours ago

The hard truth these days is that the work of bee keeping is like 80% keeping the mites in check. Plus all current treatments render the honey inedible so you can only do it at the end of the season.

agilob 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To add, varroa quickly gains immunity to the pharmaceutical treatment we have, so the same medication cannot be used 2 years in a row. Most popular treatment from late 90s that used to kill 99% of varroa is now completely ineffective.

It was explained to me this is well planned and solved in Czechia. Varroa treatment is refunded my the government, but only one type of medication every 6 months. It's cheaper for beekeepers to use whatever the government gives them for free, than use something else. And the medication is free only for a few weeks, so everyone will use it at the same time.

mrweasel 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depending on location acid treatments can only be done after the honey harvest anyway, due to temperatures, so it's a minor issue.

You can also use drone frames, and remove drone brood during the summer, or cage the queen a period of time. These are both mechanical treatments and obviously doesn't hurt the honey.

moebrowne 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Plus all current treatments render the honey inedible

Formic acid is one of the few treatments which is acceptable to use while honey is present.

brikym 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Last I checked researchers were trying to evolve bees to be mite resistant. Is this something you've come across?

shevy-java 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No. The mites are not what is killing the bees.

And, by the way - natural pathogens exist in just about any population. These very, very rarely led to extinction. There is a media trend to claim the mites are at fault. This reminds me of prior fault yielding e. g. "mad cow disease" - and then the media also stopped doing any further investigation at that point. It's as if they have break points where you can not go past those points. Now it is the mites that get blamed.

MrLeap 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Lotta unsubstantiated claims you're making there.

bobmcnamara 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_in_insect_populations

kelseyfrog 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The negative government prior is unusually attractive.

wizzwizz4 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

People who believe these types of things tend to get their information from the same places. Which podcasts do you listen to?

mrweasel an hour ago | parent [-]

There is a valid point though. All types of insects are in decline, but the decline in bees is exclusively due to varroa? It's not unreasonable to assume that at least part of the decline in bees is due to the same conditions that results in less butterflies, beetles, dragonflies and so on.

The removal of habitats suitable to insects and modern farming certainly plays a part as well.

Honeybees deal fairly well with pesticides, wild bees doesn't[1], but none of them can deal with losing habitats.

1) https://www.biavl.dk/medlemmer/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Bi... (In Danish).

wizzwizz4 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

You can interpret what is being said charitably, as some true claims surrounded by nonsense. However, this says more about your model of the world than it does about the intentions or beliefs of the author. The phrasing and the argument structure suggests that to me this is the same belief cluster that supports COVID denialism and the idea that it is possible (perhaps desirable) to evolve immunity to arbitrary diseases via a "natural selection" let-the-weak-die eugenics.

Your response is analogous to how people project onto vapid AI slop meaning which was not present in the process used to generate it. The primary difference being that there is a true meaning behind these words, something against which we can compare your reading. (I would like very much for your reading to turn out to be closer than my reading to what shevy-java intended to say, but I do not expect it.)