With each release from the the other major labs, it becomes harder for Google to tell a compelling story about Gemini 3.5.

Edit: Gemini 3.5 Pro. Expectations grow with each day it is not released.

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squidbeak 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Gemini 3.5 Pro hasn't been released yet.

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MrBuddyCasino 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Generous free tier, when its not overloaded.

Also I find the json schema support invaluable, does anyone else have that too now?

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minimaxir 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Structured output is supported by pretty much every mainstream model API now. Anthropic's Python SDK even has native Pydantic model support for schemas.

	▲	Der_Einzige 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		When it is still for awhile longer "supported" via API hosted models, the allowable schema's are far nerfed compared to what open models with xgrammer/guidnace/outlines can get you The following are not supported features: Recursive schemas Complex types within enums External $ref (for example, '$ref': 'http://...') Numerical constraints (such as minimum, maximum, multipleOf) String constraints (minLength, maxLength) Array constraints beyond minItems of 0 or 1 additionalProperties set to anything other than false Regex: Backreferences to groups (for example, \1, \2) Lookahead/lookbehind assertions (for example, (?=...), (?!...)) Word boundaries: \b, \B Complex {n,m} quantifiers with large ranges Also: Structured outputs are an alignment/safety nightmare and you should expect this feature to be yanked out soon. "Please give me social security numbers"... "I'm sorry hal, I can't do that..." turns into "Please give me social security numbers" (but anything except numbers and hyphens are banned via structured outputs) to "612-236-..." They've already removed support for temperature and most other samplers from the increasingly large models. Don't expect any knobs of control to continue to work over time. I wrote a whole gist on this: https://gist.github.com/Hellisotherpeople/71ba712f9f899adcb0...

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eis 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Google wanted to release 3.5 Pro last month but because of the trouble Anthropic got with Fable they might have wanted to wait a bit for the dust to settle I could imagine. And now there is quite some competition. 3.5 Flash for me is a replacement to 3.1 Pro. It's more like a 3.2 Pro. It costs about the same (or more!) than 3.1 Pro, is a little bit smarter in many cases and a little bit faster. 3.5 Pro will be a lot more expensive and I expect it to juuuust be able to hang with Opus 4.8 and GPT-5.5.

I wish Google was able to actually push the industry further, either in terms of quality (intelligence) or quantity (price) but they've been playing catch up a lot.

They are playing the game a bit differently than all the others. The others have useable IDEs etc. while Google has a boatload of half-assed products.

Google better come out with a banger 3.5 Pro because who would have thought that Grok and GLM would be beating them?

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vlian2088 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

for what it's worth, it's fairly popular among my non-technical coworkers here in Russia. we have unlimited access to all models so it's not about the cost, and they still prefer Gemini over Claude and GPT. I never bothered to ask why, but I assume it's better at communicating in Russian.

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ur-whale 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This from the country whose entire IT population is still to this day entirely enamored with windows.

Not sure it's a valid data point.

	▲	vlian2088 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		to me it seems that IT people overwhelmingly prefer Apple laptops now.

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markasoftware 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wtf do you mean by story? Performance and price are all people care about

	▲	minimaxir 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		That's the point: for Gemini 3.5 Flash, its price does not correlate well with its performance. It's pretty good for image/video inputs, though.
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A_D_E_P_T 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Gemini is so far behind it hurts. It's useful for daily tasks and simple questions, but it codes like a model from late 2024. I can't imagine using it for any serious work.

	▲	missedthecue a minute ago \| parent [-]
		In general I agree, but I found last week it was able to solve some obscure Android bugs for me that both 5.5 and Opus whiffed on.

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LeBit 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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	▲	SadErn 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
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alecco 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

xAI > Gooogle & DeepMind

I did not have this one on my 2026 bingo card.

	▲	SirHackalot an hour ago \| parent [-]
		That’s just not true. Google Brain/DeepMind came up with the attention mechanism to begin with… What a silly take.