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2001zhaozhao 4 hours ago

Around Opus 4.7 level would be the same as Sonnet 5 while being cheaper overall.

I wonder how good their subscription discount is on both their subscription types.

Tiberium 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Sonnet 5 is a huge token hog, though, it uses far more reasoning tokens than Opus models while being priced at $2/$10 with promo, and $3/$15 (usual Sonnet price) afterwards.

giancarlostoro 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I'll probably get hate for it, but I was not impressed by Fable, I felt like it was just Opus with more tokens for thinking. I feel like the second I turned on Fable I drained my usage more quickly, despite them billing it as though it were Opus level of usage. The value is just not there for me. I wish they could make Haiku remain low-cost and drastically more capable to the point you could use only Haiku.

ayewo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not sure if you are aware, but you have to approach prompting Fable slightly differently from a model like Opus.

It's important to include the reason aka the why of your task [1] in your prompt. You'll get more mileage if you verbalize your thought process when prompting Fable. Anthropic say you should think of Fable as a "thought partner".

1: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt...

2: You might find some of the example prompts listed here useful https://x.com/trq212/status/2073100352921215386

fer 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You mean the parent was holding it wrong?

baq 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fable needs more... ambitious tasks than Opus to tell the difference and let me tell you the difference is there.

Simple tasks are simply saturated just like simple benchmarks. There's a level of intelligence where you simply don't need more for some things.

fer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I felt the same tbh; I notice more the regressions in the weeks before a new release than any potential improvement the new model might have actually brought.

It may also depend on the workload. At work everything is very domain specific with barely (if any) public training data; both need thorough review and careful hand holding, meanwhile at home Fable is scared of libtorch and falls back to Opus even if it's not touching the ML parts.

kittoes 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Did you explicitly tell it to use Sonnet or Opus subagents and stick at or below high effort? Asking because such practices make a huge difference in the quality of output and the amount of tokens burned. I used one of my accounts to explore ultramax and it was just a token hog that might be worse than Opus.

giancarlostoro 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I had it on whatever the recommended settings was, but maybe I should have told it to use Sonnet for most subtasks.

Even so, I'm just not that impressed, I felt like I got more done by just using Opus.