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GPT-5.6 Sol, along with Terra and Luna, will launch publicly this Thursday(twitter.com)
97 points by jfrbfbreudh 2 hours ago | 30 comments
aarvin_roshin an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Thoughts[^0] from Theo, who had early access:

> It's a damn good model. Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable. Fixed all the problems I had with GPT-5.5.

> It is incredibly determined. Will run for a day without even using a /goal. It understands subagents incredibly well and is great at orchestrating. It's super pleasant in use cases like OpenClaw and Hermes Agent. It knows iOS dev incredibly well.

> It has rough edges too, but FAR fewer than 5.5 did.

> For many things, gpt-5.6-sol will become my obvious defaults.

> It is better about [following instructions] than 5.5 was. Understands intent well and hammers until it gets there. Sometimes a bit too hard.

Also[^1]:

> gpt-5.6-sol is world leading in computer use. It made me use it 100x more. When we lost access to 5.6, I quickly started to go insane without it

[^0]: https://nitter.net/theo/status/2074708892341481755 [^1]: https://nitter.net/theo/status/2074720467395756499

bashtoni 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I feel like listening to Theo about anything technical is like consulting a Labrador retriever for advice on quantum physics.

Every time I've ever seen one of his videos it's pretty clear he has very little understanding of development or engineering. I first became aware of him from his early "unit tests are a waste of time" stuff, and it seems his skillset is building a personal brand. Fair play, he's clearly talented at that, but that doesn't make his opinion on anything else worthwhile.

jychang 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Not quite as "smart" as Fable, but it is incredibly capable.

THIS IS BECAUSE GPT-5.6 SOL IS... just a more posttrained version of GPT-5.5, not a brand new bigger model than GPT-5.5. It's not like how Mythos is bigger than Opus.

OpenAI switching to Sol/Terra/Luna renaming is just a way to rip off people and charge more money for the same sized model.

GPT-5.6 --------> GPT-5.6 Sol

GPT-5.6-mini ---> GPT-5.6 Terra

GPT-5.6-nano ---> GPT-5.6 Luna

Except OpenAI is about to charge way more money for GPT-5.6 Sol and GPT-5.6 Terra, than if they named it GPT-5.6 and GPT-5.6-mini.

isoprophlex an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Increased tenacity & goal following is exactly what I want in this model, to make it compete with Claude models.

(A little toning down of the goblin fetish would be nice too, haha.)

stingraycharles 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

“Understands intent well and hammers until it gets there. “

If there’s anything I learned over the past 12-18 months is that this is a recipe for disaster, except for throwaway stuff.

I thought most senior engineers settled on the fact that steering a model yields much better results?

laurels-marts 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Damn this is exciting. I love that gpt models are much faster, efficient and cheaper than Claude models. They are so fast even on high/xhigh that I don’t find myself using the parallel agent setup anymore much since its cognitively less demanding to just follow along what the model is doing and most tasks it will complete in <5-<10mins anyway.

jychang 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

THIS IS BECAUSE GPT-5.6 SOL IS... just a more posttrained version of GPT-5.5, not a bigger model than GPT-5.5. It's not like how Mythos is bigger than Opus.

OpenAI switching to Sol/Terra/Luna renaming is just a way to rip off people and charge more money for the same sized model.

GPT-5.6 --------> GPT-5.6 Sol

GPT-5.6-mini ---> GPT-5.6 Terra

GPT-5.6-nano ---> GPT-5.6 Luna

Except OpenAI is about to charge way more money for GPT-5.6 Sol and GPT-5.6 Terra, than if they named it GPT-5.6 and GPT-5.6-mini.

Two important things to note, if you want to verify what I say/correct me:

GPT-5.6 Terra actually scores worse than GPT-5.5 on many benchmarks. It's not GPT-5.5 trained with more compute; it's basically GPT-5.6-mini that's been distilled from GPT-5.6 full size.

Opus 4.8 runs at ~90 tokens per second. Fable 5 runs at ~40 tokens per second on from Anthropic, because it's a bigger/slower model. A few days after the release, when the dust dies down, look at how many tokens/second GPT-5.6 Sol is running at. I will bet it's the same as GPT-5.5, and not half the speed. (OpenAI is not incentivized to slow down the model for paying customers). But the model tokens/sec will be a big clue- if OpenAI is charging more money for the same sized model or not.

reassess_blind an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m bouncing back between Codex and Claude like a ping-pong ball. I much prefer the experience using Codex, less verbose and to-the-point I’ve found. But Fable, being as strong as it is, is a big draw for Claude right now. I’ll likely switch back to Codex if 5.6 Sol is comparable.

avereveard a minute ago | parent [-]

Same. For some reason late opus model are very superficial doing ux work and so am using gpt for that, but backend is much better engineered by claude, gpt prefer to duplicate everything it needs on the spot causing class sprawl

matheusmoreira 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Will it be available on subscription tiers? That will get me to switch away from Anthropic.

mhrmsn 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is this the reason Anthropic extended use of Fable 5 via subscriptions until July 12? Seems a bit like it

matheusmoreira 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

Probably, but I think it's too little too late. Not much point to it if it's not permanent. The "get the most out of Fable until it goes away" frenzy is getting old fast. The cybersecurity blocks are very obnoxious too.

If OpenAI can launch a Fable tier model that's actually usable on a subscription, then Anthropic is just going to lose, and badly.

jorisw 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mirror: https://xcancel.com/OpenAI/status/2074704958419792299

aarvin_roshin 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm most curious about whether OpenAI finally taught its models how to design interfaces. They have been behind the other labs in this area for what feels like ages.

MrBuddyCasino 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

What do you feel is the best model for interface design right now?

Dibes 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

For me claude is the best, hands down. Fable took it a step even further.

ray__ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Any previewers have hot takes? I've really preferred gpt-5.5 over Opus 4.8 for data analysis and scientific software work. It seems much more reliable. Fable is unusable for the type of work that I do (due to guardrails). Really looking forward to trying these new OpenAI models out.

CjHuber an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Interesting to hear people like gpt-5.5. For me it feels smart only at one shot prompts, but if you try to build up session context before doing something it feels magnitudes inferior to Claude. I'm almost sure its because the thinking of previous turns is stripped with the responses API, so if I tell it to analyse something deeply, what remains of the understanding in future turns is only the short response text of that analysis

throwuxiytayq 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> thinking of previous turns is stripped with the responses API

Why do they store an encrypted reasoning payload in the session file and pass it to the API? Just a ruse? Reasoning isn’t even that many tokens, you think they’d degrade their model quality like that?

Reasoning messages would be lost immediately after a single tool call, unless you mean they sometimes go back and strip the reasoning channel retroactively, but that would increase costs via cache invalidation. I just don’t see any way it would make sense for them to do.

And wouldn’t this be noticeable by reasoning tokens not being accounted for in the context window usage?

porker 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

For gpt-5.5 I build up that session context into a markdown file, and then I start a new session and give it the markdown file with the instructions for what to do.

I'm guessing this works better because it can always go back and re-analyze the saved context.

petesergeant 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Interesting, data analysis work is the only thing I’ll use Gemini for

pavpanchekha an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For compiler work I found that Sol is noticably better than 5.5 (and I generally use OAI models because I like the Codex app), but Fable was still obviously better.

ottoboney an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It seems comparable to Fable to me in my uses.

scottmf 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What types of use cases?

wahnfrieden an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

That's great to hear - and for the same price as 5.5, and reportedly with much lower token use per task.

Were you able to try Sol Ultra?

ottoboney an hour ago | parent [-]

No, my organization limits access to xhigh.

yzydserd 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The question is, launch to who …

Tiberium 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

To everyone.

simianwords 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I find codex way more usable. It’s not pretentiously verbose like Claude. It’s also responsive - I can see the progress easily and steer the conversation. With Claude, it might take 15 minutes and I would lose patience.

lillecarl 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

I held out on OpenAI until last month because I despise Sam Altman, but using Codex is a great experience and 5.5 (medium) I'm on 20$ is very capable, follows instructions when it should and confronts me/challenges me when it should.

UX is nicer where the agent is somehow "separated" from execution.