Permanent residency is a business deal between two entities: an individual and a state. It has nothing to do with linguistics. There are many Germans permanently living in Vietnam, Thailand and other Southeast Asian countries, who never bothered to even learn how to say Hello, not to mention any certificate or exam...

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jyounker 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I can't imagine any Germans I know describing permanent residency as a business relationship.

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mongol an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, permanent residency is more than a business deal. It is a deal about all aspects of life, business or not.

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mr_toad 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Permanent residency is a business deal between two entities: an individual and a state.

I doubt that Germans see it that way.

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xdennis an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A country is not a contract, it's a culture.

It's quite audacious to want to be part of a country, but also to be so quarantined from them as to not even want to learn their language.

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FabCH 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean, even if you insist on viewing it as a business deal, what exactly prevents one side to put language requirements in the business deal?

That’s how deals work, both sides state their position and either they find a middle ground or they don’t.

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zerr 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Business deal means the requirements should be rational, pragmatic.

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mrighele 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Asking you to learn German in in Germany is both rational and pragmatic, as it is a good way to be a functioning member of the society.

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FabCH 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, why is „learn the language“ not a rational and pragmatic requirement?

Seems rational to me. Want to live in country X permanently? Learn language X.

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zerr 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I mean, when you have already proven that you are net positive for the state, and continue doing so, requiring you to pass some exams is not rational. PR != citizenship. Will I have a bit difficulty buying some groceries in a local market? Maybe, but that shouldn't bother the state.

Also, you can live permanently without PR. PR unlocks some additional perks, which again, have nothing to do with linguistics.

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mongol an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You can be a net positive one day, next day you lose your job and are not. On the other hand, permanent is supposed to be without end. An unemployed worker with no language skills in the local language quickly becomes a burden

Residency while employed is rational. If you want to stay longer, learn the language

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vanviegen 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> net positive for the state

Being a good citizen is not the same as (or even all that much related to) receiving an above average salary.

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FabCH 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you a net positive?

Just because somebody pays taxes, it doesn’t necessarily make them a net positive.

For example, do you contribute culturally? That can be quite hard to do without speaking the language.

What about defense. Would you fight for the country? Hard to do if you don’t understand the orders.

What about spiritually? Emotionally?

	▲	zerr an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I believe you are mixing permanent presidentship with citizenship. That's why I've clarified that PR != citizenship.

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baranul 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exactly! Though it often seems that people conveniently forget the reverse scenario. Them in other countries is fine and relax about requirements, others in their country, not so much.

	▲	consensus1 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		One country is not in any way obligated or expected to have the same entry requirements as another. It is based on priorities of the state and those differ greatly between states.

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consensus1 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Permanent residency is a deal (not necessarily business related) between two entities: an individual and a state. It has everything to do with whatever requirements that the two parties have, and if there is no agreement on them there is no deal. In this case the state cares about language proficiency and requires it for a deal, so if you are not proficient in German there is no deal.