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warumdarum 3 hours ago

? Everyone in the party is incolved in similar crimes. The only thing they are guilty off in addition is a lack of loyalty to emperor xi. Incompetence and criminal corruption, that you can edit out of history, but intrigue is unforgivable.

threatofrain 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You're assuming that this guy was actually being prosecuted for crimes or that this guy lacked loyalty to Xi Jinping. A tremendous number of top generals and leadership has been wiped out in a short time and not necessarily refilled, and it's not because China has a huge disloyalty problem.

mmooss an hour ago | parent [-]

> it's not because China has a huge disloyalty problem.

Why not? Dictators often purge anyone who is a threat, often because they form a possibly competitive power structure (regardless of their intent), and often because of paranoid perceived disloyalty, and for actual disloyalty.

And corruption is the cover story they commonly use - it's vague, general, the public sees enough gov't corruption to believe it and to hate it. Trials are not needed. Off the top of my head, Putin in Russia, Mohammed bin Salman in Saudi Arabia, ...

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ClumsyPilot 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you sure? Do you have an example of substantial disaster or scandal that resulted in loss of life and loss of face for China, but perpetuators got away?

For UK I have: Grenfell tower scandal (over 100 dead, no one in prison), infected blood scandal (thousands dead, no one in prison), postmaster scandal (thousands falsely imprisoned , no perpetrator in prison), etc.

jknoepfler 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Are we restricting this to businesses, or is the genocide of the Uyghurs fair game?

ClumsyPilot 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

How does it relate to the original question asked?

nixon_why69 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

They ran a rolling internment program for a few years, holding people against their will in mandatory patriotism camp for months at a time.

That's bad and wrong but you need to be killing people to call it genocide. It's been a master class in propaganda on this topic, look up the name Adrian Zenz and see how often he gets uncritically quoted.

saxonww an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> you need to be killing people to call it genocide

No, you don't.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/...

See Article 2.

nkmnz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Killing people" is not required for committing a genocide:

Article II of the Genocide Convention contains a narrow definition of the crime of genocide, which includes two main elements:

1. A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and

2. A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:

2.1 Killing members of the group

2.2 Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group

2.3 Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part

2.4 Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group

2.5 Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

[0] https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

nixon_why69 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

Brother, I eat at a Uyghur restaurant in Wuhan pretty regularly. Nobody destroyed any groups.

There was a big overreaction that violated people's rights but the people still exist and are fine.

If we contrast with how the West have reacted to terror attacks, its quite rich to see them throwing UN definitions at China.

mmooss an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You're omitting so much, such as torture and ethnic cleansing and massive levels of abuse. Any genocidal concentration camp could be called 'an internment camp'. Anyone reading this, just look up coverage in credible sources.

sbayg 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

COVID19

reverius42 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Who, exactly, were the "perpetrators" of Covid19?

copper-float an hour ago | parent [-]

Whoever funded the laboratories in Wuhan.

ClumsyPilot 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

>> The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) provided roughly $1.4 million to the Wuhan Institute of Virology

So.. Biden?