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peterlk 4 hours ago

Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm.

Also, being constantly warned that I was speeding in rural areas where the car missed a speed limit sign caused me to start ignoring the speeding alarm within a few hours of driving the car.

I feel like there’s some lesson here in building to the lowest common denominator, and giving people products rather than tools (tools are more dangerous, but more useful), but maybe I’m just grumpy.

ghastmaster an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Do you know if the law prevents you from modifying the car to disable these devices? Caveat to anyone considering this: Modifying could be used against you in a liability case. Additionally if your insurance contract has some stipulation about not removing these safety "features" and they find out, I would think you could be dropped.

skhr0680 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I feel like there’s some lesson here in building to the lowest common denominator, and giving people products rather than tools (tools are more dangerous, but more useful), but maybe I’m just grumpy.

It's from a culture that says more alarms = safer. Perhaps the people who design these things need an alarm to warn them of "alarm fatigue".

dylan604 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That sounds like one of those situations where you just keep turning up the radio until the beeping goes away

Foivos 2 hours ago | parent [-]

They have thought of that. The radio volume is reduced during the Beep.

fhn an hour ago | parent [-]

I'm deaf so they better shine lasers into my eyeballs

NonHyloMorph an hour ago | parent [-]

Hehe

lstodd 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'm also blind so they can stuff those lasers where it doesn't shine.

moffkalast 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Driving4answers had a similar rant recently about the 2024 Prius, where there's an always-on warning beep every time you enter an intersection, which intrusively pulls away your attention in the exact moment when you need to be focusing on the road the most. I'll be surprised if it doesn't cause someone to die in the coming years. Laws for drivers written by people with chauffeurs.

cucumber3732842 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Laws for drivers written by people with chauffeurs.

Not even that. They know the laws are stupid. They don't care. It's just another day at work for them. They're trying to surgically write laws to garner support/votes from shorsighted hand wringing Karens (plenty of examples in HN comments) while also not actually hurting industry/donors.

So stupid rules and stupid beeps are what you get.

phoronixrly 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.

LtWorf 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I gave up and just ignore all the blips. It also sometimes invents speed limit signs.

sixtyj 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Imagine driving thru night with kids sleeping and suddenly car starts beeping.

Is there a way how to switch sensors off for similar situations?

ShellfishMeme 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You can switch them off but only until the engine is turned off again. Most manufacturers have a shortcut on the dashboard or steering wheel though. Eventually you just get used to doing that every time you start driving.

frollogaston 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That works. I already got so used to disabling ESC on start that I do it unconsciously at this point, can't even recall afterwards that I did it. (My car is old and has a glitchy ESC)

toast0 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depends on the car (and the regulatory regime, I'd imagine). My fancy pants 2025 car is happy to leave driver alertness detection disabled, which is handy because it's not good. Of course my ultra base model 1981 van doesn't have any features... it's a lot more fun to drive, other than the engine noise is pretty oppressive on a drive any significant length oh and the floor is missing where the accelerator pedal should mount :P

londons_explore 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There'll be firmware hacks to force that mode soon enough.

Scoundreller 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You wouldn’t download a bookmarklet on your car

bigiain an hour ago | parent [-]

"Download NoBeepPro for Android Auto now! It silences all unwanted warning sound, and totally doesn't surreptitiously enroll your car into a residential proxy service or mine crypto currency using your main power or hybrid battery!"

fhub an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

In my experience, rental cars are the worst. They are configured to make so much noise. My kids sleep in rentals more than daily driving too (longer commutes when traveling). My 2022 Volvo treats me like a adult and makes very little noise. Heads up display shows things that might be important.

throawayonthe 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

ngl i think people should just read their car's manual

Brian_K_White 2 hours ago | parent [-]

ngl I think you should and then try to say that again

dumbmrblah 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So to play devil's advocate... were you taking your eyes off the road for too long?

There are many many poor drivers and many many distracted drivers out there. I'm not accusing you of one, but maybe a little bit of self-introspection may be necessary.

lawik 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My in-laws Kia did this for me. It got really shitty when it got darker and presumably had to use an IR camera. And I am tall so the angle might have been bad. It flagged me every minute. Even when I intentionally focused right ahead.

Tracking gaze is not immune to assorted failure modes.

gotski 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had a similar situation with a rental car, driving on winding roads.

The beeping happened periodically as I was driving around hairpin bends, and the eye detection was triggered by me turning my head to look towards the oncoming sharp corner.

Not the best situation to have a "safety" alert start chastising you!

afandian 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I wonder if it’s malicious compliance on the part of the manufacturers.

They can trivially determine if their tech is effective. Making it mandatory, despite the problems they must surely know about, might produce some democratic pressure for more nuanced legislation.

frollogaston 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It'd be a bold strategy, cause in the meantime everyone says "never buy a Kia!" (or whatever brand, but Kia is the usual suspect)

giantg2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"might produce some democratic pressure for more nuanced legislation."

Nah, you just get knee-jerk, feel-good laws because the masses never dig deeper and the elected only care about being reelected.

cucumber3732842 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

These laws are not driven by masses. The masses do not want this crap. These laws are driven by busybodies who think they know what's best for the masses. The politicians and their advisors think they can get "free" (statistically nobody ever voted for the other guy over something so little) turnout from these busybodies in their favor by promising/doing this stuff. It's a sick numbers game and we all lose. Just like everything else these days.

b112 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They can trivially determine if their tech is effective.

Can they? How many people real world test, and are they of all different heights and weights and face shapes too?

Besides that, when I was a kid, I used to watch a lot of old movies on late night TV. Often these movies had car chases, and cars would go careening off of cliffs for no reason. I was always flummoxed, for we had no cliffs anywhere I'd ever been, and wondered where they were, and why people were always driving on them.

When I visited California I suddenly realised "oh, they're everywhere here, just driving home".

Another poster pointed out the alarm went off, if he looked to the corner he was driving towards. People dogfooding won't notice issues with that, if the local environment doesn't have such features.

Could you test for all these things? Maybe, after realising what to test for. You'd then need a sort of regression test, too. All with people.

WalterBright 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> and cars would go careening off of cliffs for no reason

Obviously, you're not familiar with Toonces, the Driving Cat.

b112 an hour ago | parent [-]

That takes me back, thanks.

mothballed 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why would the manufacturers care though? You will still buy a car and now the barrier to foreign competition is higher, increasing profit, and the price goes up to pay for the dooo dads which increases financing kickbacks even if margin is same.

chung8123 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I rented a car with driver monitoring and it made me take my eyes off the road instead. Every beep and warning is a distraction and it these systems don't work. Even if you are looking at the road and driving correctly it is flashing a warning up.

monknomo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

yeah, my car doesn't like it when I look more than 2 cars ahead, or if I am looking uphill (because I am driving uphill)

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