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awakeasleep 4 hours ago

Ford has had that since Blue Cruise 2.0, or thereabouts. It really shocked me how often it catches my attention being diverted. Things like talking to my passengers, adjusting the climate controls, or eating- I'm not even talking about 'advanced distractions' like my phone.

It also seemed really accurate. I never remember it beeping at me when I was actually paying attention.

It's totally plausible to me that this kind of nudge will save a lot of lives.

Dries007 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My experience with my Volvo EX30 has been the complete opposite. Although the false positives have gone down with software updates, it's still wrong so often I turn it off every time it bothers me. Due to some other regulation, this setting is unfortunately not remembered. That means every time I get in the car, I have to spend time going trough the settings to disable it, often while already driving. Seems like a great idea.

The biggest false positives involve singing or talking being mis-interpreted for yawning. Which then triggers a notification and a noise telling me "maybe it's time for a beak", which makes me look at the screen in the center console, which then triggers a second notification telling me to "please look at the road".

Great system over all. 10/10 no notes.

borosuxks 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not sure it's actual regulations, but the Euro NCAP safety tests requiring all these "features" (like not remembering when you turn them off) to get a max score.

And who doesn't want the safest car?

calvinmorrison 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

how much have cars safety improved in terms of crashes, airbags, etc, versus the robot will stop the crash?

aenis 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Impossible to measure, many other uncontrolled variables - esp. significant improvements to infrastructure in Europe, and regulations. Take NL, where a crash involving a pedestrian or a cyclist effectively forces the driver to prove their innocence. I can walk across a Dutch town blindfolded with the biggest risk to my wellbeing being cyclists (well, and the canals). I'd guess the impact of those intervention dwarfs the "i will beep at you until i make you deaf if you don't put your seatbelt over your grocery bag" innovations.

teki_one 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I grew up in/with cars which would score 0 (more like -3 to -5) and made it to adulthood, so I have a feeling that these features are not strictly neccesary.

At the same time what if it saves at least one life a year? (same goes for riding with/without helmets)

aucisson_masque 3 hours ago | parent [-]

My father grew up drinking a ton of alcohol and smoking, like his friends. Many of them are dead.

By your logic, we should keep drinking and smoking.

slopinthebag 3 hours ago | parent [-]

We should ban driving by your logic?

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aucisson_masque 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is that the regulation that is bad or the way the manufacturer implemented it ?

I think your comment and the one you were answering to explain it very well.

Don't buy car that sucks.

ihsw 3 hours ago | parent [-]

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cellular 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What happens if you wear sunglasses?

Dries007 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Normal sunglasses it sees trough, but if you somehow block it, you can't enable some features anymore (pilot assist).

That was different in the early sw versions, where blocking it would simply do nothing, so I had a 3D printed thing to block the camera.

486sx33 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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senordevnyc 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sounds about right for Volvo, sadly. I’ve owned four over the years, all great, but my most recent one has such dogshit software that I’ll never buy another Volvo.

joenot443 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It's totally plausible to me that this kind of nudge will save a lot of lives.

I think an in-car breathalyzer which gates the ignition would also save a lot of lives.

Most people agree that kind of manufactured paternalism is an overreach and would be against its introduction. Other people say the same about the diverted driving detector, and I imagine others said the same about the seatbelt sensor.

The intersection of personal freedom and personal safety is an interesting topic, I don't think there's a right answer and it's ultimately pretty subjective.

throw2ih020 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I think an in-car breathalyzer which gates the ignition would also save a lot of lives.

> Most people agree that kind of manufactured paternalism is an overreach and would be against its introduction.

Congress already passed a law in 2021 to start the process of requiring alcohol impairment detection in new cars around 2030 - the HALT Drunk Driving Act. It had broad, bipartisan support. I would say "most people agree" does not appear to be the case.

Gigachad 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It only sounds like overreach because we have become numb to an incredible amount of killing from distracted drivers.

austin-schick an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I think I'd consider this kind of technology at the intersection of personal freedom and _public_ safety. Drunk or distracted driving puts others at risk, not just you.

gmueckl 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Owned a Ford Mustang Mach-e with BkueCruise for about 3 years now. No obvious false alarms about missing attention. Interestingly, it doesn't get confused by my sunglasses and still catches me looking aside for too long. I think it is a rather good implementation overall.

mattrighetti 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It's totally plausible to me that this kind of nudge will save a lot of lives.

It’s also totally plausible that insurance companies will use this data to try and find every single tiny, irrelevant detail to not pay you. Sorry, you blinked before crashing into this other car, we won’t pay for that.

Law enforcement could also use that data to create a nice profile of yourself and how “distracted” you are while driving, and maybe suspend your license forever, why not? And wait till you find how unreliable these sensors are.

Just another surveillance tool in disguise, this is what the EU does best.

recursive 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It gives me false positives when I'm holding the wheel at the top and my wrist is blocking line of sight from the camera. On the other hand, sunglasses have never tripped it all.

Bratmon 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It also seemed really accurate. I never remember it beeping at me when I was actually paying attention.

This is the exact opposite of my experience! The one time I tried BlueCruise, it went into "panic mode" every time I turned my head to check my blindspots.

sanmarzano an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thank you! I often feel like I’m in the minority on this site, it is nice to hear someone else articulate my feelings. Driving is a privilege not a right. But since America decided to decimate public transit in the early 20th century (and stick with it) we’re stuck with cars. So I’m in favor of anything that makes it safer. Hopefully this crosses the pond.

rurp 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't doubt your experience but I've had the exact opposite experience with a Subaru where there were so many false positives it was worse than useless and was instead an active distraction.

Given the general state of auto manufacturer software I would fully expect something like this to be janky and unreliable. It might work in some conditions on some faces but also perform abysmally in many other scenarios.

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dd82 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

good way to get notification fatigue and tunnel vision. look ahead, ignore everything else and have a shocked pikachu face when you sideswipe someone because you're well trained to not check your blind spots

gmueckl 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I need to call bullshit on this. I own the same system and it totally allows looking around for normal driving. Stare to the side or the center console for more than a few seconds and it will alert you - exactly at the point where it becomes recklessly unsafe to do so.

deejaaymac 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would argue that if someone can't safely operate a vehicle without this then maybe they shouldn't have a license

Gigachad 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In this scenario anyone who "should" have their license would never trigger this warning in the first place so it wouldn't be an issue.

thebruce87m 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What exactly are you arguing for? Changes to the driving test to detect how someone reacts to distractions?

Gander5739 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If locks are to keep honest men honest, then driving monitoring cameras are to keep attentive drivers attentive.

rsanek 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Interesting perspective. In my experience the risk is actually that it results in alert fatigue, which means that drivers that would otherwise pay attention to such an alert no longer do.

BeetleB 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> adjusting the climate controls,

Well if they hadn't removed climate control buttons, this would not be a concern!

Not being able to easily adjust climate settings is very much a safety concern. And the fact that it beeps at you is them acknowledging it!

colechristensen 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wear some pretty thick glasses and my parents' car CONSTANTLY beeped at me to pay attention to the road.

JsonDemWitOster 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It's totally plausible to me that this kind of nudge will save a lot of lives.

Probable especially if it gets drunk drivers off the road but I, for one, would be deeply uncomfortable driving knowing my every twitch is recorded and _more importantly_ open to misinterpretation in case of a claim. I could easily believe otherwise averagely fine drivers being negatively affected by this if the surveillance takes up headspace.

Observation affects systems but not always for the better.

I also wonder how well this fares under night driving conditions where the inside of the car has poor exposure.

Related: https://petapixel.com/2025/07/11/dutch-woman-fined-500-after...

xienze 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It also seemed really accurate.

It's really not. When I'm cruising on the highway I like to rest my right wrist on the top of the wheel, which blocks the sensor.

"Watch the road"

"Watch the road"

"Watch the road"

throw2ih020 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> When I'm cruising on the highway I like to rest my right wrist on the top of the wheel, which blocks the sensor.

Won't this shatter your wrist if your airbag deploys? I remember being taught to hold the sides of the wheel in driving class.

xienze 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

There's theory and there's practice. In theory you're supposed to maintain 10 and 2 at all times. In practice, that gets fatiguing over long trips.

doublepg23 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

My Subaru Solterra / Toyota bz4X is the same way.

ErroneousBosh 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Kia Niro EVs I drive at work have something that apparently detects driver fatigue. I don't know what sets it off but it starts beeping at fire alarm levels and makes the huge LCD constantly flash up warnings, usually before I've even left the yard. There doesn't appear to be a way to turn it off or stop it, so you just have to put up with a constant "BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING BING" for the whole journey.

CGMthrowaway 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Eye tracking

ButlerianJihad 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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wat10000 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Should have rolled the cost of the soda into your damages in the lawsuit.

senordevnyc 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I honestly have zero idea how this is at all related to the story at hand, but the surfeit of unnecessary specific details is both enjoyable and making me slightly suspicious that this is AI :)