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petcat 6 hours ago

At this point I think it's obvious that EU is in turmoil. They're struggling to come to grips with the idea of a Russian invasion on their eastern borders, and simultaneously USA pivoting to Asia and not willing to front their defense after 40+ years of imploring them to do so themselves.

They've outsourced nearly every critical component of a large sustainable society to the rest of the world: Russia, USA, China, India.

But at the same time, their politicians can't do anything because the minute they suggest that they might have to start cutting pensions and public welfare, and all of these different things in order to start supporting national industry and defense, they lose support immediately.

sdsdssweew213 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

EU has quite successfully decoupled from Russia already, we aren't heavily dependent on Russian energy or other natural resources anymore.

Also, EU countries in Eastern Europe do already have a high military spending, and even Western European countries are improving.

The situation is less than ideal but not hopeless.

holoduke 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It's hopeless. Enormous amounts of money is flowing out of Europe into China and the US. Europe has dogshit to offer. You already see it with gdp not growing. Whereas rest of the world did grow. Even Russia has higher GDP growth than Germany. Euro leadership is not smart.

martimarkov 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tell me you don’t know about a topic without telling me you don’t know.

petcat 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why don't you tell me what you know about this topic

bluebarbet 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This comment adds zero value. Make a point if you have one.

wredcoll an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The parent post adds zero value, why start now?

petcat an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

OK, let's hear it

coredev_ 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Whoa, where do you get your news from - Fox?

pessimizer 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> They're struggling to come to grips with the idea of a Russian invasion on their eastern borders

Or rather struggling to hold onto the fantasy of a Russian invasion on their Eastern borders, when Russia has spent 4 years in order to manage to hold on to a quarter of Ukraine, entirely filled with Russians.

> But at the same time, their politicians can't do anything because the minute they suggest that they might have to start cutting pensions and public welfare, and all of these different things in order to start supporting national industry and defense, they lose support immediately.

They don't have to do this [edit: spend excessively on defense], they can cut public spending somewhat and invest (and aid private investment), but the EU is too weak to do this. What they're hoping is that spending on arms can revive their economies. They deeply need a looming threat to convince member states to do this. They should instead make the EU a real federation with teeth (and a real central bank), or call it a day.

The EU needs a proper way to get investment into technology, innovation and infrastructure, not to invade the east a third time (not that they're willing to spend the money on that either, no matter how hard they propagandize and censor.)

The EU seems to spend most of its time threatening to regulate things that it has no ability to produce, and is also not investing in its future ability to produce. It seems doomed to continue to be a vassal of the US, or if it wises up just a little bit, a vassal of China.

edit: Wolfgang Munchau can't stop banging this drum. The European upper-middle class is completely delusional (and up its own ass) in a way that makes even Americans look almost sane. European elites are just US pawns, while they feed these delusions with anti-American "fellow kids" rhetoric.

edit2: Munchau example: https://unherd.com/2026/07/the-great-german-own-goal/

holoduke 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Well the Americans are not particularly clean in this situation. For them it's all about creating a situation where Europe keeps buying overpriced weapons from the US to support Ukraine in their slow march to death. Most euro leaders have sold their souls to the devil and live in a bubble of illusions and wishful thinking. They are all employees of the the American system. You won't even make it to the selection level it you don't comply with their ideas and morals. The only way out of this is a new wave that ditches the US completely and start doing business with Russia and China on a massive scale. Not gonna happen though.

petcat 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Every American president since 1980 begged Europe and NATO to take responsibility and invest in is own security.