To be fair, this is even worse.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/07/07/european-parli...

The party that they want to ban is a consistent and loud opponent of chat control.

It would be hard to imagine a US party that didn't believe the other party is out of compliance with US values. As a justification for blocking democracy it's universal and ever present.

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inigyou 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Alternative for Germany (Alternativ für Deutschland, AfD) is a party that wants to revoke citizenship of brown people and expel them from the country. There are very good reasons they should be banned. Their opposition to chat control is completely incidental.

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izend 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

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pebble 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I see nothing here rebuking the above claim. Maybe you would’ve had better luck coming up with something if you had bothered to write it yourself.

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inigyou 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

did your AI train on the Potsdam meeting notes that leaked to journalists?

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vrganj 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Maybe don't trust AI so much.

Obviously the fascists don't put their most odious ideas in writing, they plan them in secret instead.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/19/turmoil-in-ger...

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earth-tattoo an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> a party that wants to revoke citizenship of brown people and expel them from the country

As a white guy living in the middle east in a country that will never give me their citizenship, I do ask seriously, what's wrong with that? I don't know a single country in Africa, middle east and Asia that gives citizenships to foreigners. Ones that do, do under very very limited circumstances. Why does Europe and north America have to open their doors to everyone?

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bcye 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Political groups are factions of the Parliament, while parties are alliances of national parties at EU level, funded through the EU budget. Neither the group in the Parliament nor the lawmakers will face any consequence if ESN loses its status as a European party.

It’s important to note the lawmakers stay in office even if the European party is banned.

Europe is also not the US and from my knowledge it seems that this is the only party suspected of not complying with values. There are many many more parties that they are not trying to ban.

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pqtyw 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Unless they are doing something criminal their values are their and their voters business, regardless of how reprehensible they might be.

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bcye 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't know how the procedure for banning a europarty looks but in Germany the bar is very high. It must be against the core constitutional values (human dignity, freedom, democracy) and pose a threat to that (infamously NPD was not banned as it was found to small to pose a threat).

The procedure here seems to be similar to Germany that the parliament can only request a review from an independent body (in Germany the constitutional court) if this is the case, the actual decision comes from that body after a lengthy process.

Behind the europarty is (among others) the AfD for which the public has been debating for years now on wether to attempt to ban them because of their danger, so it doesn't seem very far fetched for their EU party really.

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inigyou 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In Germany it is illegal to have Nazi-like values, such as wanting to expel all non-German people.

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		Is it illegal too to expel non-citizens? IIRC the issue is primarily wanting to expel certain citizens.

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vrganj 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This party is far-right neofascists that are openly hostile to the democratic order and wants to deport German citizens to Africa if they're not Aryan enough.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/01/11/l...

> It would be hard to imagine a US party that didn't believe the other party is out of compliance with US values

This is a limitation of the American two-party system that incentives polarization instead of cooperation.

We have a working multi-party democracy and a majority across parties and ideologies voted for this.

To say this has anything to do with Chat Control betrays either a deep lack of understanding of European politics or a conscious attempt to mislead in order to garner support for extremists.

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andrewshadura 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The party they want to ban are neo-Nazis.

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holoduke 5 hours ago | parent [-]

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mcv 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Are you coming here to spread Russian propaganda? Please don't.

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inigyou 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you want to expel the Jews from Germany you're a Nazi. It could not possibly be more direct than that.

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holoduke 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Is afd supporting that idea?

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inigyou 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They support expelling certain ethnic and religious groups from Germany, but it's not clear if the Jews are one.

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mcv 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It's probably safer for them to be vague about who exactly they mean. Both to stay legal and to give voters the chance to project whichever people they hate most onto that policy.

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izend 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Look at the official party stance, he is spreading misinformation.

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		Why would you look at what they say officially, instead of what they do

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shevy-java 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is a bit skewed. AfD stands for a lot more than "merely" an opponent of chat control, including worshipping the 1930s era.

As another example, one of their members (Noah Krieger) fights on behalf of Russia, conquering lands and killing civilians (article from today only in german, sorry: https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/videos-mit-schutzweste-u...). And many other problems I could list about AfD. So t he "they want to ban those opposing chat control" - sorry, that is a huge simplification.

> It would be hard to imagine a US party that didn't believe the other party is out of compliance with US values.

Ah? And why are there only two corrupt parties in the USA to begin with? I mean that's no real choice. Both are corrupt, and one now entered cult-status with the mad orange king. His cronies get rich. Everyone sees this. So, sorry, but your attempt to promote the USA while praising the AfD, is simply flat out rubbish nonsense. We only have bad actors here, no good ones.