> how democratic of the EU

Well, these are the MEPs elected by member states. We don’t like the outcome but this means chat control is well supported within the government of each country.

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CrisMystik 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

MEPs are directly elected by citizens, not governments. It's the Council instead where representatives (ministers) of all national governments sit

	▲	isodev 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yup, edited to clarify I mean the MEPs bring “the will of the people”. Clearly not enough has happened on local level to raise awareness / lobby against chat control. I don’t think many outside tech are even aware if the slippery slope of the surveillance machinery.

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belowavgiq 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

uhm, the will of the people is often already half-lost with the politicians/parties they directly elect, so I would hardly consider another layer of representative "demo"cracy on top of another layer of representative democracy following the will of the people at all.

But true, I blamed this on the Commission when I should have just started with this criticism of the overall system.

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afh1 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Is it really supported by the people, or just the politicians?

If the former, the EU is an autocratic democracy. If the later, an autocratic oligarchy.

Either way bad. Only true democracy in Europe is Switzerland where the people actually get to vote on laws.

	▲	kennywinker an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Representative democracy vs direct democracy is the actual dichotomy you’re looking for.