> IMHO this mutual interdependence is actually a good thing. It stimulates maintaining peaceful relations and engaging in trade. We could use a little more of that. Isolationism didn't lead to anything good last century either.

I think interdependence is a good thing, but I think the EU is _reliant_ on the US militarily and economically and that's ... not great particularly when the US leadership is openly hostile toward Europe (and toward the US for that matter). I'm speaking as an American.

▲

koe123 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

As it pertains to military, just wait a few years I think.

▲

tick_tock_tick a minute ago | parent | next [-]

You mean decades; especially if they keep up waffling.

▲

InTheArena an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The last three times that Europe had a large independent military force(s), things didn't end so well for the world.

International commerce and business and shared democratic norms are a fscking good things. We have lost the people who learned that the hard way, and they are being replaced with people who have never read a history book.

	▲	nullsanity 14 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		[dead]

▲

throwaway894345 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

While I applaud the strides the EU is taking to decouple militarily, it's still a long ways away from replacing the security umbrella provided by the US military. The EU doesn't even have a single command and control structure (although NATO provides a lot of interoperability between European militaries). It's no knock on Europe's efforts--it's just that the dependency on US military was almost a century in the making--it's not going to be undone overnight. But Europe is moving in the right direction--I just hope Europe stays the course and continues to take it seriously.

▲

tonyhart7 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

what Europe option anyway ???? other than US another power that can fill up the space is China

or are european saying china is better than US ????

▲

650REDHAIR an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t remember the last time China threatened to invade Denmark?

I do remember the last time the USA did. It was hours ago at a NATO summit.

▲

InTheArena an hour ago | parent [-]

s/China/Taiwan?

or Tibet?

You are comparing sensational trolls with actual geopolitical history.

	▲	surgical_fire 7 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Taiwan and Tibet are eminently not in Europe. Should we casually throw around all places the US invaded too?
	▲	650REDHAIR 10 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Are you suggesting Trump is “trolling” Greenland? And admittedly I didn’t realize Taiwan was in Europe. Sorry.

▲

input_sh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well for one thing, China wasn't adamant about annexing territory belonging to a European nation like half a year ago.

	▲	dijit an hour ago \| parent [-]
		their eyes are firmly on Africa. Not being able to stand on our own feet is going to be a major problem because of the implied soft power. It nerfs our ability to ever have a spine on any issue.

▲

betorabinovich an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's certainly easier to do business with countries that aren't governed by a psychotic moron that likes to threaten your cost equation on a weekly basis to enrich its cronies

▲

lyu07282 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

China is very successfully developing and competing with the US, so it is self evident that Europe should continue to do the exact opposite of everything that China is doing.

	▲	throwaway894345 30 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		As an American, it helps that the US is actively self-sabotaging.