It already exists. In fact, there are environments where it has to exist. So the argument he's making is that the IETF should pretend it doesn't exist.

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g-b-r a day ago | parent [-]

Can you (or someone else) please give some example of those environments?

	▲	some_furry a day ago \| parent [-]
		Telecoms. I wrote at length about this debate in my blog post about threat modeling: https://soatok.blog/2026/06/30/soatoks-informal-guide-to-thr...