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tharkun__ a day ago

Exactly, as in, really, will they? Where and at what price, especially across an actual enterprise that needs to deploy them to lots of devs? There's much more than just the actual model.

Of course my numbers are a sample of one and I am not spending a lot of money or time on it. Just lazily trying things on my "happen to have this" hardware. But basically trying out the Claude Code I'm used to from work but locally with a bunch of open weight models.

I can run super tiny models on my 8GB NVIDIA card. They all suck (I have to use <=~5GB models if I want "usable" ~250k context that doesn't need to use system RAM and CPU (which makes things super slow).

I've also tried a GLM 4.7-flash, which even though it's super slow (in comparison) with ~250k context and it just doesn't cut it vs. the Claude Sonnet or Opus I get to use at work. All the while these are all touted as "totally usable, Claude/ChatGPT killer!" replacements.

It's just not "there" with tool use or building software for that matter. Like, just a simple Claude "web search" fails with it. So I asked it to build itself its own "web search" functionality and it just couldn't. It made so many mistakes its just not funny any more. And it couldn't recover from them either. I retried a few times (as I didn't have python installed and it wanted to implement it using that - this happens to be new system - never mind other attempts). I spent as much time doing this (and failing) as I spent building an actual full feature at work last week w/ Sonnet.

If it can't build itself a simple web search to .md file tool/skill, how am I supposed to trust this with actual coding? I'm used to being able to point Claude at our large code base and essentially work with it like a junior doing my bidding. Maybe 5.2 is a killer game changer vs. what I was able to try out (if slowly) but you really have to show me to convince me at this point. And not with synthetic benchmarks. In those, all of the models I tried are supposedly super awesome.

arcanemachiner a day ago | parent | next [-]

4.7 Flash is a small model that's almost a year old, which is ancient. And yes, your dinky GPU will not run anything worthwhile.

Just spend $5 on OpenCode Go and give GLM 5.2 a shot if you have the time. It's not quite as good as Opus, but it's more than good enough for many tasks.

mikae1 a day ago | parent [-]

> Just spend $5 on OpenCode Go

$5 the first month, then price is doubled.

arcanemachiner a day ago | parent | next [-]

The $5 is so they can see if open weights models are worth using, not so they can use it for a month. (Which you can't; The quota runs out way sooner than a month for any serious usage. Still worth the price of entry.)

miroljub 20 hours ago | parent [-]

If you use DeepSeek v4 Flash as a daily driver, with an occasional usage of DeepSeek V4 Pro and Glam 5.2 when necessary, the monthly quota practically never runs out.

wongarsu 19 hours ago | parent [-]

Getting the pay-as-you-go plan from DeepSeek is also a good alternative. When motivation strikes you never get slowed down by quota, and it's cheap enough that even with mostly DeepSeek V4 Pro it's price-competitive with a $5/month subscription. Depending on how bursty your usage pattern is it might even be cheaper

miroljub 19 hours ago | parent [-]

True, but OpenCode Go gives 6x tokens on Flash and 1.5x tokens on DeepSeek Pro. After exhausting the monthly quota, Flash price is the same as directly from DeepSeek, while Pro is 4x pricier.

Sevii 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

With OpenRouter you can pay flat rate and try nearly any model on the market.

wonnage a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Open weights != local models.