Indeed they are all lossy. Not sure how much they contribute to the quality loss in long context though. I got a 700k session with DSV4 Pro (official API), and the model was still coherent and didn't make any tool call error.

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stingraycharles a day ago | parent [-]

That’s a low bar though, and the least I would expect.

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throwdbaaway a day ago | parent [-]

Well I wouldn't call it a low bar, since some of the edits were quite complex. And 1M context in less than 6GB of VRAM is truly impressive, but somehow this gets way less attention than the crappy turbo quant from Google.

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scope2093 a day ago | parent [-]

I'd like to understand this please. Why would the 1M context be kept in VRAM if you're using DSV4 Pro through the API? Or did you refer to different sessions?

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throwdbaaway a day ago | parent [-]

Different sessions. With https://github.com/fairydreaming/llama.cpp/tree/dsv4, 1M context with DSV4 Flash takes less than 6GB of VRAM. I can't run DSV4 Pro, but it should take less than 9GB of VRAM for 1M context, based on the numbers shared in https://arxiv.org/html/2606.19348v1.

	▲	scope2093 a day ago \| parent [-]
		Thank you for the links/docs. I'm quite excited to try it myself.