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pizlonator a day ago

What a coincidence to see this on the front page!

I just received my OpenWrt One because I’m tired of dealing with the questionable quality of most routers.

And I don’t feel like resurrecting my old PC that I used as a router for a while. I stopped doing that because it’s loud. Pretty sure the power supply fan is about to fly off.

But Qualcomm WiFi pci card with giant antenna in a dirt cheap PC running ancient Ubuntu and a simple hostapd setup is so far the most reliable WiFi router I’ve ever had. I hope openwrt one is even better :-)

IgorPartola a day ago | parent | next [-]

In case it is not, an old PC with a dual port Intel NIC running OPNSense is so far the best router I have ever used. I mean rock solid performance with near zero maintenance beyond adjusting VLANs and setting up a 6in4 tunnel over the past 5 years solid. My home network is larger, more diverse, and more complex than what I suspect most people have, with several hundred devices and yet I log into the OPNSense UI maybe twice a year and usually just out of curiosity.

The learning curve is a little steeper than more consumer stuff but it is by no means beyond a person who is capable of using OpenWRT and the docs and forum support are better than 99.9% of open source projects I have seen over the past 25 years.

tapper a day ago | parent | next [-]

Hi I tried with OPNSense, but I use a screen reader they made a big song and dance about fixing 11y on there web interface. In the end they did fuck all. OpenWRT has bin good with a screen reader since the start and the few times I have pointed out things to be fixed they have bin fixed with in days. So yeah go OpenWRT.

IgorPartola a day ago | parent [-]

That is a very solid argument against OPNSense! I do wonder if the advent of AI can be used to fix issues like this, but in the meantime I totally see why you would choose OpenWRT.

guywithahat a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't disagree, however using an old PC as a router almost certainly wastes an enormous among of power. An old non-gaming PC could use 70kWh of power a month if running continuously (as a router would), which is around 11 a month and almost 140 a year. At that price you could just buy a nice router, or an OpenWrt One which will possibly also have newer, faster WiFi standards (WiFi 6)

kalleboo a day ago | parent | next [-]

For some real numbers, I picked up a 2018 generic office PC (Core i5-7500) used for $50 as a backup machine to run linux on when my laptop was in for repairs, and it idles at 14 W, vs the OpenWrt One which appears to run at 5.5 W.

So that's 10 kWh/mo for the PC vs 4 kWh/mo for the OpenWrt One.

briHass a day ago | parent [-]

Yep, and that's anywhere from about $1.30 to $3 something in the really expensive states for electric rates in the US. Half that if you only count the delta between that and a low power device.

Spending hundreds on new hw to save $20 a year in power cost.

IgorPartola a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I currently use an old boring HP tower. Nothing fancy, I think it’s a quad core AMD APU. But if building it from scratch I would get a $35 thin client off eBay and stick a NIC in it. The CPU load is minimal as the network card does all the processing. I do have 8 TP-Link access points and a hardware controller as well as three unmanaged PoE switches for the Wi-Fi but that would be the case regardless of what my router is.

xoa a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>however using an old PC as a router almost certainly wastes an enormous among of power

I don't think you're quite right on this, or at least you're imagining using something inappropriate when the comparison here involves buying something new right? So it's not "OpenWrt One" vs "whatever you happen to have in your closet" but "OpenWrt One (~$110-130)" vs "whatever can be bought used for $110-130, if you have nothing appropriate". And while they won't go to near-zero like some ARM stuff might, idle power for PCs improved a ton after around the 2013 era. There are lots and lots of small systems available for equivalent prices on Ebay or the like made since then (like Intel NUCs or various other mini PCs) that will idle around 4-10W. Like to take something in the same price range as this OpenWrt One, I regularly see 7th gen era NUCs going for <$140. An i5-7260U will have single threaded performance about the same as the MediaTek in this unit and multi-thread close, but will also generally have 8-16 GB of RAM and often a 250-500GB NVMe drive as well. It'll probably have only one native ethernet, but USB or TB adapters work fine with Linux & FreeBSD at this point.

There's definitely a question of values and exactly what you're trying to focus on, but there are a lot of niceties in having lots of RAM on tap and extremely standard fallbacks to interface with a system, back it up, etc.

>or an OpenWrt One which will possibly also have newer, faster WiFi standards (WiFi 6)

If you want an AIO style device that's definitely a consideration, though again USB WiFi dongles are a thing too. But regardless of router choice, for someone considering going beyond what their ISP offers at all I think it's usually well worth spending the $50-80 to get a dedicated wireless access point. It'll make a major difference in real world performance in most spaces I've seen to just physically have a unit in an ideal spot (on a ceiling or high up on a wall, away from metal). Aesthetically the clean disks or rectangles those tend to have also blend well and mean that various boxes can be tucked away. And of course you get to upgrade networking bits separately from your router.

Anyway, definitely good there are multiple approaches, this is an area of life where people can have very different needs driven by very different physical environments and "stakeholders" (like significant others). But I think OPNsense (or other bog-standard-PC FOSS alternatives like VyOS) can be competitive even in TCO, depending on how much value you place on pushing your networking stack and what else you have going on (like solar power).

tehlike a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use an m920q as my router and it idles around 5W.

pizlonator a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That makes sense, but I really do have to emphasize just how gloriously stable my old PC router setup was.

It was the most incredibly hassle free router I've ever had.

Hopefully, the OpenWrt One is like that. But if not, I'm going to go back to killing the planet with my loud ass beater PC.

speed_spread a day ago | parent | prev [-]

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hyperbovine a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Enterprise class" wifi routers from ten years ago sell on eBay for about 1/5th as much, and work just as well for most home or small business applications.

rnxrx a day ago | parent | next [-]

It's worth being careful here: a lot of the affordable enterprise-class routers from 10+ years ago aren't as fast as cheap consumer hardware - like the OP or just a decent mini PC. The primary arguments for the enterprise-class gear are around feature availability and certain aspects of reliability (redundant power/fans, better heat tolerance, higher quality components). It's also worth remembering that this kind of gear tends to be built for dedicated environments: loud fans, higher power draw/lack of power saving features, etc.

Beside the potential performance and environmental issues the other big downsides tend to include firmware availability - either because download from the site requires a login on the vendor's site or, increasingly commonly, the gear has hit LDOS and images just aren't posted. Obviously there are other "unofficial" places for such images, but the risk/legality are a whole other (potentially serious) question.

There's an additional issue mapping the requirements of home networking to enterprise gear: Ethernet switches are lousy firewalls (little or no NAT, primitive built-in security, DLNA/mDNS and friends aren't really sane options, etc). Finally, even at "1/5" the price the gear may still be quite a bit more expensive than other options. And if it's not expensive, it's usually because nobody wants it any more because of the issues mentioned above (being near- or beyond- LDOS).

FWIW this is from someone who literally built a commercial-class machine room in his house with dedicated AC, subpanels, commercial UPS, etc for data center class Ethernet, Fibre Channel and Infiniband switching as well as carrier-grade routers and still runs "enterprise" grade WLAN and switching and can lay hands on as much as I could reasonably want without too much drama or cost... Going down this road can absolutely be amazing if you either have a.) the background to properly source and run the hardware/software or b.) have a driving desire to learn how to do so or c.) have some very atypical requirements for home networking. Otherwise it tends to not be something to be done lightly.

gruez a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Aren't they also missing security patches? I'm not sure about you, but I'd rather have SOHO routers with up to date firmware, than enterprise routers with out of date firmware.

hyperbovine a day ago | parent [-]

No I’m saying load openwrt on them.

protocolture a day ago | parent | prev [-]

>I just received my OpenWrt One because I’m tired of dealing with the questionable quality of most routers.

My latest 3 home routers have been mikrotik, mikrotik and juniper.

And the Juniper is still in there, just running as a switch. The old juniper srx sucks at uPNP but is otherwise still a fantastic router if I wanted to swap back to it.

Middle tier mikrotik took a power surge and lost 50% of its ports. It still routed just enough for me to get a replacement.

Latest tik is doing great.

I dont see what the One offers me at all tbh.