> People don't like to hear this but the open models just aren't good.

Stuff like the latest DeepSeek, Kimchi and GLM are used and loved by many people. It's not using an open model that is difficult: it's having the hardware allowing to do so. It's pricey and require technical skills.

That's why most people who are using (excellent btw) open-weight models are just renting compute online.

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nojito a day ago | parent | prev [-]

They just aren't good at agentic work.

Also risking it all for some distilled models is a recipe for disaster.

	▲	HarHarVeryFunny a day ago \| parent \| next [-]
		All of the smaller models from anyone are distilled from larger ones. I assume you are just trying to disparage the Chinese models, but what you are actually saying is that people should only be using the largest non-distilled models, not smaller ones like Sonnet. I assume the upcoming Opus 5 will be distilled from Fable 5.
	▲	himata4113 a day ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		GLM 5.2 is the first model that is competing with the frontier, everything before it existed I would totally agree with you.
	▲	jst1fthsdys a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I disagree, they are that good at agentic work.