Here's a reminder that a Montana-LLC registered car is a legitimate privacy-preserving use case and not the tax-evasion that Straw Manners and Ad Hominem attackers make appear to be.

You can still pay your use tax and be a good citizen, and in fact, its probably a better demonstration of your duties as a citizen to protect the right to privacy and say to your local governments that have a history of abusing and selling vehicle registration data to 3rd parties that you do not tolerate that.

Happy to share more, the sites for Montana registration can be shady but the dirt legal one is great.

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kelnos an hour ago | parent | next [-]

In California, at least, if you are a resident of the state, you are legally required to register cars garaged in California with the California DMV. (It's actually a little ambiguous in an annoying way; even if you have a car that's garaged out of state, simply bringing it to CA for a weekend and driving it around can potentially trigger the CA registration requirement, again, assuming you are a CA resident.)

I'd be surprised if most other states don't have similar vehicle laws.

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lokar an hour ago | parent | next [-]

And the CHP has a website where you can report violations.

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mannanj an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I hear you bringing up 2 separate actions that can trigger a registration requirement.

1) Garaging a vehicle, for x days or more.

2) Driving a vehicle, for x days or more.

Have you looked into what the specifics are, and how they are triggered?

Poking some holes at this:

- Are you on the hook to register vehicles you don't own for actions (1) or (2)?

Consider two examples:

(a) you rent a vehicle,

(b) you drive or choose to house a friends' vehicle.

From what you've stated, logically, anytime you rent a vehicle or operate or house a friends', you now are asked to register it.

Do you think this is accurate? And if so, do you think it would hold in court of law?

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john_strinlai 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

>Consider two examples:

(a) you rent a vehicle,

(b) you drive or choose to house a friends' vehicle.

in both cases, the vehicle would already be registered in the state (by the rental company or by the friend).

it is not clear to me why you think the vehicles would need to be re-registered.

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306bobby 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

I haven't spent much time personally in Cali, but the places I have had to rent a car from I've never had a rental car plated in the same state I'm driving/renting it from

	▲	john_strinlai 15 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		the rental car is obviously already going to be legal in the state, and under no circumstance are you (the customer) going to be required to (or able to) register the car you are renting. it's a silly "hole" to try and poke.

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cliglot an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Interestingly I was watching a body cam where an off duty cop road raged punched a driver.

During the investigation the investigating officer had become worried that the assailant would use police resources to further track and harass the victim.

Luckily the guy was driving a company vehicle that did not track to his address.

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stackskipton an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>not the tax-evasion that Straw Manners and Ad Hominem attackers make appear to be.

Depends on the state, in my former state, Virginia, it is tax evasion. This is not unique to Virginia BTW, Georgia has similar laws. By law in VA, all cars that are garaged in state for longer than 90 days must pay the car tax. Only reason Montana LLC registered cars get away from it is most counties find out who must pay the tax from Virginia DMV so these cars are missed.

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afavour 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Here's a reminder that a Montana-LLC registered car is a legitimate privacy-preserving use case and not the tax-evasion that Straw Manners and Ad Hominem attackers make appear to be.

I mean, it’s both, right? You’re definitely getting a tax advantage compared to a lot of areas of the country. And how is insurance going to work?

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NDlurker an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I live in North Dakota and the cost of maintaining a Montana LLC would be more than my yearly registration fee. Something I started doing is getting new plates every year so historical data of my movement based on plate number only goes back a year.

	▲	FireBeyond 12 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Now all you have to do is ensure your state's DOL doesn't enter into a data sharing agreement with Flock for historical license plate correlation...

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mannanj an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Tax advantages are not tax evasion. Otherwise, why bother with doing anything that is tax advantaged if when anyone calls it tax evasion or accuses someone of a crime the accused just give up and takes guilt (assumption of guilt over innocence) paying whatever is asked?

Insurance is a bit tricky though I've heard it's simple. Most companies don't ask or inquire about where the cars registered, and neither do repair shops or parts of the claim process inquire into this. If you're uncomfortable with this, you can DYOR and check what happened for claims if a driver who's personally insured is driving a vehicle registered under an LLC/company. I think it isn't true that just because a vehicle is registered by a company, it cannot be used for personal purposes or that insurance companies would make claims more difficult (though check yourself and I'm happy to know what you find)

	▲	0x1d7 7 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Those charged by the AG in CA were charged with tax fraud. It was apparent that they were actively avoiding taxes based on recorded messages and fraudulent documents. https://www.thedrive.com/news/california-is-done-with-rich-g... > One defendant texted that another conspirator “made me provide a fake bill of lading which cost $200 but did allow me to pickup the Urus.”
	▲	FireBeyond 7 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		At least in my state, as a former emergency services worker, our EVIP (emergency vehicle incident prevention) course (which serves as a "substitute" for requiring a CDL to drive an emergency vehicle) absolutely tells you that driver liability can and will flow through to your personally, even when driving a work vehicle for work purposes. (Because that also comes with a presumption of liability for any incident that happens in "emergency mode" departments, agencies will generally also hold insurance specifically for that flow through that says "while the law says you can do anything, with due regard, in emergency mode, as long as you stay in our more restrictive SOPs, our insurer will also cover your personal liability".)