| ▲ | arthurjj 2 hours ago |
| I think part of it is she had excellent PR skills and a dedicated fan base. I was at Google when she quit, working in ML, and hadn't heard of her until the story broke. I remember there were a large number of Memegen posts about it, but no one I spoke with knew about her, so I assumed it was brigading. I think she's since since lost a lot of her allure, especially when she didn't change her mind when the facts about the AI water usage changed 1000x |
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| ▲ | NeutralCrane an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| What exactly are the facts about AI water usage? I have trouble separating hysteria from reality but most of what I see still claims water usage is enormous |
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| ▲ | arthurjj 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I like this summary https://www.andymasley.com/writing/the-ai-water-issue-is-fak... And this is a reply to her comment about water usage where it becomes clear she's not arguing in good faith. https://x.com/AndyMasley/status/1990498830131888173 | |
| ▲ | scarmig an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The hysteria around water usage rests on people not knowing the scale of industrial civilization. First thing to do is compare any estimate of data center water usage with the water usage of almond farming. Or, if you want to focus on individual consumer choices, the water footprint of eating a hamburger. | | |
| ▲ | QuercusMax an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Or even better: the footprint of doing something like farming corn for ethanol | |
| ▲ | shimman 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nice false dichotomy you got there there, might as well calculate the entire water usage for a a single GPU in the supply chain too. Something tells me one is extremely worse than the other when you account for all the water that's used in a single supply chain for high end electronics, but if you want to plop the measuring stick where ever along the whole pony show that makes you look better people will notice. Also to compare growing food with the totally optional, not useful in the slightest, LLMs that somehow demand local populaces bend to their will for reasons that never seem to benefit them is just bonkers level of self-blinding when it comes to populations absolutely despising big tech, big tech leadership, and big tech practices. This mania might finally cause the software industry to become a highly regulated with licenses similar to that of other engineering disciplines due to amount of optional destruction they have decided to unleash upon on the planet in such a short time frame. | |
| ▲ | agentultra an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Breaking it down this way is a great way to minimize the numbers so that it appears reasonable. See? Middle-Eastern investors are growing alfalfa in the western desert using legal allotments of water! That is so much worse than what we’re doing! Go after them! They can both be using an egregious amount of water for silly purposes. The other part of the water debate is also the pollution different systems create. Many data centres went in with the promise of closed-loop systems but changed half-way through construction and couldn’t be stopped. I think it’s more complicated than, “they’re wrong, it’s just hype.” | | |
| ▲ | rdedev 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Putting things into perspective is not minimising the problem. We literally have to do this to prioritise where our efforts can be useful. Your argument makes sense if ai datacenters were using something close to like alfafa farming but the difference between them is soo massive it does not make sense. Reducing pollution is a much better problem to fight for |
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| ▲ | simonw 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is a useful piece on that: https://andymasley.substack.com/p/the-ai-water-issue-is-fake |
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| ▲ | sureglymop 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What is interesting about it for me is: why would someone working on AI ethics choose to work for Google at all? Did she really think Google cares about ethics? Such positions seem purely performative, we all know that ethics go out the window first to make room for more profits. |
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| ▲ | breppp 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25324263 She was well known to be toxic and extremely exploitive of victim privilege |
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| ▲ | arthurjj 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I missed that thread when it came out, it's really a wild read. The difference between how people describe her vs how she's normally portrayed in the media is really startling |
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