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Real-time map of Great Britain's rail network(map.signalbox.io)
144 points by scrlk 2 hours ago | 56 comments
Bengalilol 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Switzerland's real-time map of trains and public transport (zoom in on a city to view its public transport in real time). You can find boats too.

And if you check on/off the other options, you get way more informations.

https://maps.trafimage.ch/ch.sbb.netzkarte?lang=en&baselayer...

parkersweb 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Bit puzzled by some of the station data. This train:

https://www.map.signalbox.io/?train=202607066710114&location...

is a train from Cambridge to Kings Cross - and in the side panel it shows it as calling at the new Cambridge South station. But Cambridge South isn't shown on the map. That's kinda understandable (because it opened a week ago), but Cambridge North (which opened in 2017) also isn't shown on the map. Neither are offered in any of the auto-complete dropdowns?

I'm wondering if the station data a static dataset which hasn't been updated in a long time?

sschueller 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Shameless self-promotion: I make a departure board for the Swiss public transportation network: https://www.stationdisplay.com/

panick21_ 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

I suggest you adjust your search results based on population. If I search for 'Luzern' it suggests 'Eschenbach'.

maelito 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Checkout the French equivalent : https://carto.tchoo.net. Looks more complete.

Past similar HN submission got no attention, whereas the UK's top page. Interesting !

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45249351

dominicrose 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

And to see the status (Ile-de-France only): https://ratpstatus.fr/trains.html

Shywim an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Note that carto.tchoo does not provide real position in real-time: it only has access to departures, stops, delays and suppressions and interpolate position based on this.

This means that if your train is running at half-speed or stopped but does not result in an official delay, the position will not match reality.

KlutzySofa 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The title matters a lot. Without "real-time" this submission has likely gotten the same lack of attention.

windowliker 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

That's no surprise. The French equivalent of anything rail related is always more complete than the UK.

jeroenhd 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Dutch (and Dutch-bound) rail network overview: https://treinposities.nl/ And the equivalent for buses: https://busposities.nl/ Not all of them have GPS trackers, so some positions are guessed.

There's functionality for this in the official Dutch Railways app, but it looks like they didn't bother putting that onto their website. There is a common source of open data for most of these details, but I don't find the docs to be very complete.

redeyedtreefrog 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Would be better if it had some technical explanation rather than just yet another public transport map. This:

https://vgcgroup.co.uk/news/signalbox-for-train-locations/

suggests the data mostly comes from railway signalling information, plus a bit of "AI" in some way. I wonder how far apart railway signals usually are, or what the AI is trained on, or anything really vs just looking at a map.

AJRF 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Signalbox's technology identifies the train a device is on by matching a snapshot of smartphone data to a train’s trajectory data. The technology uses advanced algorithms works even with severely degraded data. We are able to pinpoint a smartphone to any type of train without background location tracking or hardware.

Hmm, that's...interesting?

vaillancourtmax 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Seems similar to Transit's approach: https://blog.transitapp.com/go-underground/

amelius 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

Meanwhile, other engineers are working on reducing the vibrations.

ed_elliott_asc 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I wonder what app has allow location on all the time and is feeding them their data

bcraven 2 hours ago | parent [-]

"Acquired by Trainline in 2023, Signalbox works with organisations across the rail ecosystem to improve customer information and operational awareness."

https://www.signalbox.io/news/southeastern-launches-track-my...

AJRF an hour ago | parent [-]

Few questions, wonder if anyone knows the answers:

1. So it's Trainline on a persons phone that is tracking this info and using it to enrich this service? I use Trainline and didn't know it was doing that, but I do have location permissions on because I was told that powered the search picker when I started using the app.

2. What did they use _before_ Trainline? Or was Trainline selling user location data to them?

Liquid_Fire an hour ago | parent [-]

I think you're misunderstanding what they are saying. They don't use background location data, but they do use your current location data. Try the "Find My Train" demo on their site - it asks for location permission.

Or their API - it also expects device location data:

> At a minimum, requests to the detect endpoint _must_ contain a device's location measurement. Additional fields can be included where available to improve the accuracy of the returned results as outlined below.

https://docs.signalbox.io/docs#/operations/Detect_detect

AJRF an hour ago | parent [-]

wait - so you think that the map is made up of people who are all sitting on that website using the Find My Train demo?

I think you are missing the point - what is collecting data on all those trains.

Liquid_Fire an hour ago | parent [-]

No, live train data in the UK is already publicly available, e.g. see https://www.opentraintimes.com/

This is matching your phone's location to the already public train data.

AJRF an hour ago | parent [-]

> This is matching your phone's location

But what is getting that?

Liquid_Fire an hour ago | parent [-]

You are giving it to them. That's why the demo asks for your location permission, and that's why the API expects location info.

"You" here means another app that integrates their API (or you as an individual using the demo on their website). How the other app gets it is up to the other app - ideally it also just queries it directly and requires location permission.

frnz an hour ago | parent [-]

so an empty train does not show up?

Liquid_Fire 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Not sure how you came to that conclusion. An empty train would still exist in the live train data. It does not depend on mobile phones, but on rail signals and other such tracking built into the rail infrastructure.

Hikikomori 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Does a train exist if you are not on it?

drej an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's one for the Czech network (one of the densest in the world, if not the densest) https://grapp.spravazeleznic.cz

CivilR 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Here is the map made by the Swedish transport authority: https://www.trafikverket.se/trafikinformation/tagkarta/

ctphipps an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tokyo equivalent with animated trains, weather, flights and more: https://minitokyo3d.com/

robin_reala 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This only seems to be standard overground trains. If you add in metro networks like the London tube, or light rail / trams like in Manchester, then you’d get at least hundreds more.

jordand 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The map includes metros across the Tyne and Wear Metro in NE England, and while its not perfect, it's by far the most useful train live tracking I've ever seen. There's quite a few places in the UK with different rail systems that don't fit together (and have apps of varying quality/usefulness)

niknight an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Boston: https://tmap.live.

London: https://londonunderground.live

this reminds me of the London specific equivalent posted awhile back: https://londonunderground.live (previously discussed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43651390).

haunter an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hungary https://vonatinfo.mav.hu/

andredlng 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would love to see this for Germany :D

fuzzy2 an hour ago | parent [-]

https://travic.app/

Basically all of Europe, with varying levels of detail.

ExMachina73 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tokyo: https://minitokyo3d.com

Munksgaard an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Here's the Danish one (with some trains in Sweden): http://landetspuls.dk

a_c an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Off-topic, I don't get why people still use a www subdomain, especially so in this case, www.map. Conway's Law in action?

jaffa2 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

why dont you get it? i dont' get why you dont get it.

HaphazardGuess 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

very cool. Unrelated but anytime im looking at a map be it city roads, rails subway, etc i wish there was a way to filter the layers based on construction date.

I would like to be able to see when each road/section was built. I assume with GoogleEarth and other databases it should be possible to run some kind changelog comparison and do this at scale for at least the last 20 years or so.

_joel an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Used this many times during the longer commutes across country, works well.

IshKebab an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is this actually based on GPS (or similar) on the trains, or is it just interpolating signal times (which are waaaay coarser)?

philipwhiuk 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Topping out at 10 minutes delay for the most severe marker colour is an interesting choice.

windowliker 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

IIRC 10 minutes is the minimum threshold for a train to be officially considered as delayed.

xnorswap 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It would be better if they were aligned to the delay repay thresholds.

mschuster91 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Certainly would not work out in Germany LOL

ErroneousBosh 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's amazing how easily you can tell when you cross the border from OBB to DB ;-)

nephihaha 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A couple of obvious observations: * Does not include Northern Ireland or the Isle of Man, both of which have notable rail networks (as they are not in GB). * Does not include heritage railways. There are a number of other railways on here which are not marked but offer tourist travel.

scoot 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I live next to a railway line so I'm in the (not particularly unique, and definitely not enviable) position to compare what's on the map to "IRL" trains, and I can tell you it's as good as useless.

  - Trains appearing on the map that aren't anywhere to be seen on the tracks.
  - Trains on the tracks that don't appear on the map.
  - Trains moving away from the station that according to the timetable view shouldn't have left the station yet.
  - Trains on the map seemingly stopping and changing direction, only to reverse course once again.
The map shows a single line segment for what is in fact a multi-line stretch of railway. That's okay as a simplification (I guess), but the icons aren't pinned to the line, so appear to be driving off the track, or even on the adjacent street.

As for realtime - even if the data was accurate and timely, a 2Hz refresh rate most definitely isn't realtime.

Sorry if it seems like I'm shitting on it - it's a fun toy, but I wouldn't depend on it for anything important.

windowliker 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

>it's a fun toy, but I wouldn't depend on it for anything important.

This could be said for the rail network as a whole.

Neglect and underinvestment over the last 60+ years has left it in a sorry state, and debacles such as HS2 show how government has no ability to deliver proper material upgrades to the aging infrastructure and service. The direction of travel (scuse the pun) has been clear since the Beeching cuts: roads are the priority. Add to that Neoliberal divestment policies and we end up where we are today: overcrowded, filthy, ugly trains barely fit for cattle transport and chronically understaffed stations and train crews. Not to mention the extortionate prices for a ticket to travel on the network.

I adore rail travel, but dread the necessity of using it any time I go on a journey.

inglor_cz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I remember my colleague from MFF UK, Robert Babilon, producing his first real-time map of Czech trains in 2004.

The page, called Babitron, still exists and still keeps that delightful 2004 look. I visited it a few days ago. Unfortunately today there is a message "We are moving Babitron to a different server", so the link isn't working.

https://kam.mff.cuni.cz/~babilon/zpmapa2

steamsloth 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Perhaps I’m going mad based off the praise heaped in other responses, but - something seems wildly off with the locations?

I just witnessed a London Liverpool street service plough through the M25 motorway - about 40 miles south of it's typical route and 5 miles south of the nearest actual railway. Dozens of the trains seem to be traversing through the English channel/La Manche towards the north sea.

In fact the number of trains actually tracking a rail line (and this is outside of the cities where the tube/metro might obscure this) seems in the minority. Most seem to be going straight through the middle of farmers fields on some obscure course unrelated to theirs.

flanked-evergl an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Would be useful if they add real time cop location information so you can avoid getting arrested for the crime of being white while being assulted.

crimsoneer an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This feels like a weird takeway to take from this!

Out of curiousity, where are you from? I find it interesting where only people who get so exercised about the UK get their info from...

ErroneousBosh 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

This map is for the UK, not the US. We don't have ICE here.

iso1631 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It's a reference to the murder of Henry Nowak, a sad example of knife crime which exists in the uk, and of individual police officers who failed to render basic first aid.

The family not only lost their son, but then had to see his name used to further the global hatred of the farage types

nephihaha 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Most of the UK. Northern Ireland's network is not included.