| ▲ | marcus_holmes 6 hours ago |
| This was interesting right up until "The fund pays every eligible American the same amount each year. " I'm in Australia. I've contributed my share of dirt to the delta. Why do I not get a share of this? I get that the frontier companies are (for the moment) US companies. But that's just corporate ownership, it's not what we're talking about. We're talking about compensating the people who wrote the training data for their contribution. That contribution came from all over the world, so the Corpus Fund needs to be paid all over the world. Set it up in the UN, get the UN to provide the training data sets as a common good, and have the UN collect the money from all AI companies using the training data sets. And the UN should distribute the money in the most equitable manner globally (so most of it going to alleviate poverty, probably). I'd happily trade my collected years of shitposts to help folks get out of poverty. |
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| ▲ | supriyo-biswas 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| > This was interesting right up until "The fund pays every eligible American the same amount each year. " There could be so many other ways to set this up. Enforce a higher tax on any business selling AI models that have capabilities greater than some threshold, and use it to fund development and infrastructure project like roads, hospitals, schools, etc. Or you could even do a negative income tax[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax |
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| ▲ | tptacek 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why do you think a UN-hosted process would work? Has the UN done similarly intrusive things before and been effective at it? How do you account for Chinese frontier and open weights models, which are just months behind American models and subsidized by a sovereign state that does not share any of these premises about intellectual property? A lot of these posts seem subtextually premised on the idea that it's possible to put the genie back into the bottle; that if frontier labs in America didn't sign on to this tolling scheme, our recourse would be to halt the progression of AI completely. But that option does not exist, unless we're going to fight a world war to create it. |
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| ▲ | imrehg 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As long as places like Taiwan are effectively blocked from being in the UN[0], I don't believe we should be adding more to their power and responsibilities than what they have now, au contraire! If it was a truly world representation, this might be different. But if things like health are sacrificed (ie. no WHO access either), I don't think they really deserve the benefit of the doubt. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_and_the_United_Nations |
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| ▲ | martialg 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Author here. Thanks for reading! I have additional essays coming out that will address this exact issue and other issues I know that people will raise. I’m building the essays series around arguing for practical policy I believe can get implemented and am sequencing it as thoughtfully as I can. I just can’t fit every argument into every essay. |
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| ▲ | marcus_holmes 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's a great idea, I hope you get traction with it :) I am personally coming to the conclusion that having these vast repositories of knowledge that can actually talk to us is actually great. We have some issues to solve, but the end-state of having a global repository of all knowledge that can talk to us and answer questions is actually an amazing outcome. We just need to solve those problems first; mostly getting past the AI bubble and the massive over-investment, and then solving the hallucination problems. I don't believe either of them are insoluble. I do worry about how future generations move on from this, though. In the same way that 90's music is still effectively the zeitgeist, and we will never move on from that, because of the way that streaming services work. It's a rare new band that can compete with (e.g.) Nirvana when appealing to that segment of audience, a competition that Nirvana themselves didn't have. So we are effectively locking in Nirvana as The Disaffected Youth Grunge Band for the rest of eternity. So similarly, we are in danger of locking in the current state of the world to the training data, and never being able to move on from that, because any new zeitgeist has to compete with this one on unequal footing. | | |
| ▲ | archagon an hour ago | parent [-] | | Imagine that AI lives up to its promise, gets captured by a handful of corporations, and ushers in a world of untouchable über-oligarchs that de facto rule the world. Would it have been worth it then? Can this problem even be solved? | | |
| ▲ | marcus_holmes 2 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I mean, yes, that's one possible outcome. I personally believe that it's more likely that the current batch of massively overleveraged AI companies go broke in the next year or so as the AI bubble bursts. Hopefully the USA manages to get its democratic shit together enough to not bail them out (as happened in 2008), and they just... stop. The OSS models are almost at the same level, and are progressing fine. The technology continues to be useful, even if all the oligarchs go away. |
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| ▲ | wwind123 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I agree UN sounds like a good organization to help distribute the wealth created by AI to the world. But this idea won't be considered by the current U.S. administration. In that case what other countries can do is probably to tax the AI companies at rates higher than regular companies. |
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| ▲ | marcus_holmes 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The USA helped form the UN as specifically the organisation to do exactly this kind of thing. It's a shame the current administration can't play nicely with others. The current administration is also playing strange games about export controls (can we run Fable yet? Kinda. Maybe). I think if they keep this up they'll just be shooting the US AI industry in the foot and the Chinese models will take over as the frontier models. Maybe the UN can levy the USA for this, and leave the USA to collect that levy from its AI companies. | | |
| ▲ | strictnein 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The US formed the UN to distribute funds? > Maybe the UN can levy the USA for this The UN has no "levy" powers. | | |
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| ▲ | nradov 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do you really want countries like Saudi Arabia and North Korea to have a vote in wealth redistribution? | | |
| ▲ | wwind123 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's about how to benefit the entire human species, or at least to reduce human suffering across the board. If there is famine in North Korea, then the surplus food from the world flowing into there won't be an issue right? | | |
| ▲ | nradov 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, that would be an issue because it allows the regime to divert more resources to weapons. In general major famines are always caused by corrupt or incompetent political leaders rather than lack of food. | | |
| ▲ | wwind123 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Famine could be caused by drought or flood or other numerous things. When the country can't produce enough food, its people would need to rely on food from outside. |
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| ▲ | abalashov 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I suppose countries like KSA and DPRK would ask the same question about us. | | |
| ▲ | nradov 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Fortunately we don't have to care much about questions asked by shithole countries today because the UN is virtually powerless. Let's keep it that way. |
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| ▲ | nradov 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Screw that. I'm not willing to send any more money to an organization as corrupt and incompetent at the UN. |
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| ▲ | antonvs 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > I'd happily trade my collected years of shitposts to help folks get out of poverty. In other words, you'd happily do nothing to help folks get out of poverty? |