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hn_throwaway_99 7 hours ago

What happened to Slashdot wasn't a "consolidation", though, it was a suicide. I was a heavy reader of the site up until they had an infamous redesign that made the site literally unusable for me, so I left.

That's very different from the scenario discussed in the article.

flomo 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think that was it. Slashdot would only run stories from their 'content partners' like ZDNet and the Register, so they were always 2 days behind Reddit/HN/Twitter/etc.

(When RMS was 'cancelled', that would have been a huge deal there in the old days, they had one post days later.)

Also Digg wasn't just a graphical redesign, they changed how the site worked. I don't think Slashdot ever did that.

hn_throwaway_99 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

IIRC I was done with Slashdot before those other sites were even created (or at least widely popular).

KennyBlanken 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

RMS wasn't "cancelled" (a reminder that "canceling" and "canceled" is a snarl word.)

His decades of incredibly shitty behavior came to be more public knowledge as both men and women in CS realized the behavior they'd witnessed wasn't some outlier once a few women who were well-known came forward and disclosed his behavior.

What brought it all to bear was him repeatedly, on a technical mailing lists, defending sex with underage girls, which in turn led people to actually go looking through material on his own site where he pontificated that sex with anyone over 14 should be legal, or even younger. These are his exact own words:

"I think that everyone age 14 or above ought to take part in sex, though not indiscriminately. (Some people are ready earlier.)"

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily [sic] pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing."

Add onto that decades of stories of creepy, manipulating, harassing behavior toward girls/women as well as incredibly sexist comments about women's technical abilities...among a lot of other really anti-social behavior, like an apparent refusal to bathe...while expecting anyone who hosts him to read a 40 page long missive about exactly how treat him.

esafak 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is an interesting case study. Most designers would not think that they can tank a site.

hn_throwaway_99 6 hours ago | parent [-]

One of the smartest things reddit ever did was ensure old.reddit.com remains fully functional. I imagine one day they'll EOL it, and when they do I'll no longer be a reddit user (probably not really a bad thing).

TFNA 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Even if Old Reddit still exists, the vast majority of users are on New Reddit or the app on their phones. Those are designed to keep people endlessly scrolling, not sticking around in any one place and building community. Also, the phone as default device has reduced comments to 140-character quips, and one looks like a real weirdo now if one writes a solid paragraph or two like in the old days.

scragz 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

they're gonna start making you log in on old to combat scrapers.

brookst 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I’m good with that. Wanting usable design is not related to avoid logging in.

no_no_no_yes 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Wow following the Digg playbook

hn_throwaway_99 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well, it's kinda surprising that Digg actually followed the Slashdot playbook (Slashdot fucked up first) - Digg should have at least learned something from Slashdot's mistake.

Both stories are pretty fascinating examples of how corporate dynamics can ruin a product. In Slashdot's case it was a clear example of "well, we hired a bunch of designers, so obviously we need to do a UI redesign!", but the designers had no idea how users actually used the site. They added a ton of whitespace and IIRC collapsible content to make the site more "modern", but in doing so it made it impossible to quickly scan the comments for high value/insightful responses. In Digg's case it had all the hallmarks of VC meddling ("we've got to monetize!") While people often comment about how buggy Digg V4 was when it released, the bigger issue was the content was just laughably bad - it was changed to like page after page of the dumbest corporate spam. Anyone using the site for 5 minutes would have known it was fucked, so I'm guessing there was just so much internal pressure to "get shit out the door" that they just wanted to release something rather than admit what they built was a turd.

Forgeties79 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I can’t believe how long ago that was.