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junto 2 hours ago

I’m convinced of widespread corruption here. We need to follow the money. Who is funding and pushing this agenda to blanket spy on all Europeans? I guess my question is rhetorical.

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cryo32 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy or corruption. It’s just design by committee bureaucracy. It always fails into that state.

everyone an hour ago | parent | next [-]

And no committee, no bureaucracy, no regulations, just let corporations do whatever they want, works great right!? It's not like it immediately collapses to despotism as the slightly bigger fish gobbles up everything in a positive feedback process.

With an egalitarian government, corruption is a problem, its bad, its something we try to fight and there are mechanisms to do so. Having no government is just giving up and going straight to 100% corruption.

cryo32 an hour ago | parent [-]

I’m not suggesting that at all. I am simply suggesting that bureaucracies have their own specific failure models.

I am very pro regulation.

everyone an hour ago | parent [-]

Ok, theres defo a lot of idiots on HN and in USA who disagree with you.

Still, kinda weird to complain about bureaucracy and regulations in this context cus its the only solution to these problems of egality and corruption which humanity has been struggling with ever since the dawn of civilisation.

Tho, It's kind of a solved problem too. We should all just try to be like Denmark, they at the top or near the top of practially every metric. Happiness, corruption index, Gini, Quality of life, healthcare, education, carbon. They have a massive powerful bureaucracy, lots of strong regulation, extremely high taxes, low corruption.

The solution to any eco-geo-political issue is just "be more like Denmark". Once everyone gets to that level we can think about further improvement.

Ray20 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> We should all just try to be like Denmark

Wait, but doesn't Denmark have the strictest immigration policies in the entire EU?

> they at the top or near the top of practially every metric. Happiness, corruption index, Gini, Quality of life, healthcare, education, carbon.

I don't understand. Are you suggesting deporting all migrants to improve the statistics to Denmark's level? But that's impossible in our legal system. We've been actively importing culturally incompatible foreigners for decades now, and many already have citizenship. You can't just strip people of their citizenship in an attempt to improve the statistics.

hobo123 6 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Is that the same Denmark that tried to push Chat Control 2.0 in the EU?

greenavocado an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s just design by committee bureaucracy and its members attend Bohemian Grove

cryo32 an hour ago | parent [-]

I genuinely don’t think such folk have as much influence and power as everyone thinks. In my (direct) experience it’s just a complete mess and they’re reacting naively to every problem.

They’re fighting a battle against the real problem which is the paid up influence campaigns that give them problems to defend. Start at the press, the social media companies and the think tanks.

greenavocado an hour ago | parent [-]

They form these groups to network and do favors for each other and provide cover for each other. After a while you are asked to do increasingly compromising things to yourself to do deeper into/stay part of the club such as blood rituals. Bohemian Grove high priest Henry Kissinger led simulated animal sacrifice rituals attended by many others in the "inner circles" of the top strata of decision makers and wallet holders. They do this because engaging in a common taboo unites the group extremely strongly, and these behaviors are the ultimate taboo.

joe_mamba 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>Who is funding and pushing this agenda to blanket spy on all Europeans?

Why are we ignoring the other side of the transaction? The side responsible for taking the money.

Giving bribes for lobbying is bad, but that would not be an issue if those found taking the bribes would be guillotined or hanged.