If you’re wondering who to blame, as little as ten years ago:

“Republican Senate environment chief uses snowball as prop in climate rant”[0]

It’s an interesting plot twist in Termination Shock, where the popularist right shifts overnight from “it’s fake” to “real, but the liberals/globalists/experts betrayed us by doing nothing useful”. A reframe from environmentalism into grievance politics, which is already becoming real in France[1].

0: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/26/senate-james...

1: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gyqldl3p5o

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bob001 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's not a fully invalid view in Europe to an outsider's eye. There is a world where nuclear power and ACs were built to prepare Europe for this without increasing global warming. That world was blocked by environmentalists. Now it's no ACs and russian natural gas imports anyways.

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inigyou 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Thanks for exemplifying what GP said

	▲	bob001 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		If I'm wrong in my thoughts then note how.

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stinkbeetle 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

USA is around 18th country in CO2 emissions per capita, and has reduced emissions per capita around as much as the combined EU since 2000, or a little more.

Can't see how some random politician is "to blame", that's pretty absurd claim, and not supported by the claimed evidence.

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fulafel 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The others above USA are tiny countries. USA is at 14, Saudi Arabia at 20, EU at 5, China at 9. The reductions in absolute tonnage for USA are big because there's a lot of low hanging fruit left. And it's partly a petrostate.

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defrost 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And the consumption habits of the USA are responsible for how many more tonnes of CO2 emissions that are not onshore within the USA ?

The USA was far and away the very worst global source for a very long time, that only changed by offshoring the processing and manufacture that feeds US consumption.

	▲	stinkbeetle 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> And the consumption habits of the USA are responsible for how many more tonnes of CO2 emissions that are not onshore within the USA ? Probably quite a few thanks to globalist politicians among all major political parties to offshore production to countries with fewer regulations and much higher emissions intensity of production. But it would not be the highest emissions per capita. Much the same as the EU. The handwringing and self-flagellation still does not suffice for actual evidence for blaming one idiot politician in one country performing a political stunt. You clowns think this is a Captain Planet cartoon where there's a few evil moustache twirling dudes setting out to wreck the environment and you just need to defeat them and everyone around the world joins hands and its smooth sailing for the rest of eternity. You must be forever bewildered about the state of the world and shocked at the news of completely normal and foreseeable things happening, like energy being very valuable, and people wanting to buy things cheaply. I can assure you if Mr. Snowball here had never been born, there would be absolutely no difference to the current situation. If the North American landmass did not exist at all, fossil fuel use would still be causing the same kind of global carbon pollution. > The USA was far and away the very worst global source for a very long time, that only changed by offshoring the processing and manufacture that feeds US consumption. Petrostates have been much worse by emissions per capita.