Programming is a brand new discipline. Computers are brand new and revolutionary tech. We're still figuring all this out.

Who, at this time, knows how to write code so well that they can dictate to others how everything should be done, and can they prove this superiority with a mathematical proof? If so, then maybe we can talk about getting bureaucrats involved to make up a bunch of rules and regulations to control everybody. Until then, it's the Wild West out here, and rightfully so.

Tired of shit code? Boycott the organizations who write and deploy it, up to and including opting out of their ' ' society ' ' altogether. Stop expecting Uncle Scam to help you. He's a scammer. All he does is scam people. It's right there in the name.

Ever notice how everything sucks these days--it's all cheap overpriced junk, like appliances, cars, houses, TVs, etc? That's because nobody in this ' ' society ' ' really gives a shit about quality or has any clue how to achieve it. That's who you want making laws?

You’re responding to an argument I didn’t make.

And looks like you agree that coding isn’t engineering.

The first high-level programming language was Plankalkül, created by Konrad Zuse between 1942 and 1945.[2] The first high-level language to have an associated compiler was created by Corrado Böhm in 1951, for his PhD thesis.

How long are you going to keep claiming programming is a brand new discipline?

Okay, engineering proper has thousands of years of history. But it’s not like coding came down in the last shower.

Fair enough that any random app probably doesn’t need to be probably correct. And that’s why it’s not engineering.

The practice of coding is a science and an art.

I guess we should make a distinction between Engineering and engineering.

Lower case e engineering is the design and manufacture of complex product - in which case, sure coding is engineering, and coders are engineers.

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