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ben_w an hour ago

Fleet Street in London used to print all the UK newspapers. They had unions who resisted automation.

In the 80s, Rupert Murdoch built, in secret, a new fully computerised printing plant built in Wapping.

The workers went on strike, so he fired them. Didn't even lose a single day of output*:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapping_dispute

That is what you should fear from AI. Not the data centres themselves, that we could all be fired and the rich lose nothing as a result.

* [citation needed] :P

JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent [-]

> That is what you should fear from AI. Not the data centres themselves, that we could all be fired and the rich lose nothing as a result

Sure. But what would have been better for the Fleet Street workers. The UK banning computerised printing? Or the union owning one?

If AI is going to be to jobs in general as computerised printing was to newspaper printing, just blocking it doesn't make sense. That's my argument.

ben_w an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I think you may have misunderstood, I'm agreeing with you :)

> Sure. But what would have been better for the Fleet Street workers. The UK banning computerised printing? Or the union owning one?

Oh, definitely the latter.

The only way I see e.g. UBI working long-term is democratic* governments owning the means of production, and in the case of AI futures that means owning the compute, and the power supply for the compute.

Right now, the UK power supply is… privatised.

* small-d, not The Dems, I'm not an American

piloto_ciego an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This is totally the "near term" solution.

Like, worker ownership of the means of production and the assets in general is idea. But I'm speaking as an Alaskan who is quite fond of the PFD and think it doesn't go far enough.