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ElectricalUnion 2 hours ago

> developers on any sufficiently large team will come up with extremely widely varied queries to access equivalent information.

Ah yes, the famous database integration anti-pattern.

> but ORMs also get you to that point without requiring as much ongoing discipline, care, and feeding.

[citation needed]

The fact that you have being practising "database integration" won't suddenly disappear just because you used a ORM. In fact I expect even worse database integration from your average ORM user, as people that uses ORM blindly often don't care (to their own detriment) about "silly issues" like data provenance or persistence mechanical sympathy.

At some point I expect the DBAs of such database integration nightmares will have to start handling stuff like column-level security and row-level security to prevent naive users from shooting themselves in the foot.