| ▲ | As downtown Seattle offices empty, city facing years of 'zombie' towers(seattletimes.com) |
| 30 points by petethomas an hour ago | 26 comments |
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| ▲ | delichon 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| New York City: Hold my Negroni aperitivo. I have faith in the Big Apple administration's ability to become a leader on this metric. |
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| ▲ | Terr_ 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | According to the graph in the article, NYC is doing about average, and LA/SF are the other front-runners. |
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| ▲ | Animats 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The article notes that the US overall office vacancy rate is 23%. Seattle is 37%. Have we reached "peak office" at last? How many people in offices does society really need, anyway? |
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| ▲ | wxw an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Back in 2019, I was amazed to learn just how many buildings in Seattle's downtown were Amazon offices. IIRC, it was dozens of buildings, some entirely owned by Amazon, some WeWork leases, etc. Downtown isn't very big, so that's a huge presence. It was also fun to check out the company-city that is Redmond, not far away. Seattle's a great city, and it's got great tech presence. I'm optimistic for its recovery. |
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| ▲ | rolph 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | owned by amazon .. now where should data centers be constructed, rather than arable farmland? | |
| ▲ | sublinear 6 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wasn't the shared-workspace business model to take advantage of these vacancies? Despite the graph shown in the article, I have to wonder if this is really a new problem. |
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| ▲ | Avicebron 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I know that commercial and residential building codes are different, but you would think converting them to residential units would fix this.. |
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| ▲ | skybrian 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The article goes into this: > The city of Seattle estimates that, with aggressive incentives, conversions could generate up to 6,000 housing units over the next seven years. At a rough approximation, that would use around a fifth of the city’s present office surplus. > But “potential” is doing a lot of work here. > Newer, larger office buildings, like the U.S. Bank Center, are hugely impractical for conversion, thanks to massive floor plates, centralized plumbing and other utilities and a host of other constraints. > The preferred candidates are typically smaller, older buildings, especially those with C- or E-shaped floor layouts, which make it easier to create smaller units with adequate windows. > But these buildings can be prohibitively costly to bring up to seismic and energy building codes, said Jen Pasquier, a Seattle developer who wants to convert the 10-story Liggett Building, at Fourth and Pike, into 93 apartments. | | |
| ▲ | qpricjalcbeu 28 minutes ago | parent [-] | | So convert those buildings to giant dorms. Lots of younger people would be more than happy with such an option (as long as it's priced accordingly of course) Can also combine with capsule hotels. | | |
| ▲ | exhilaration 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | There was a great episode of the Planet Money podcast a few weeks back that talked about boarding houses https://www.npr.org/2026/06/10/nx-s1-5851902/housing-afforda... they're apparently illegal in most places | |
| ▲ | hibikir 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Large parts of the floor would be illegal to hand to anyone due to lack of natural light: They are only reasonable for offices because most of the floor doesn't have full walls, or said walls are transparent. They are also in locations where you might not want to live anyway, as there's minimal commercial support around the building for the services you would need if living in a weird, limited apartment. It's a bit like how suburban commercial areas are now in trouble because there are fewer companies interested in the big box anchors, and without them many a strip mall stops making economic sense. But there at least the anchor is just a big empty box, not an 8 or 9 digit investment. | | |
| ▲ | general1465 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Large parts of the floor would be illegal to hand to anyone due to lack of natural light: This is weird regulation to me. Why it is not allowed for apartment, but it is OK for office? Both buildings are sheltering humans, just during different stage of being awake. | | |
| ▲ | TFNA a minute ago | parent [-] | | Like the GP said: in offices the floor is often a big open space where light from windows can extend a long way. But once you start dividing up that big space into smaller residential units with walls, that light gets blocked. |
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| ▲ | Analemma_ 19 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | In the 2010s Seattle briefly legalized SRO-like "pod apartments" of 300-400 sq ft, and several were built. A friend of mine rented one for several years and it was fantastic. But nothing makes NIMBYs throw a shitfit like the word "SRO" and they were eventually made illegal again. | | |
| ▲ | jjice 13 minutes ago | parent [-] | | SROs done right would be such a huge, easy win for so many cities. When I was fresh out of uni, I rented rooms for cheap with all utilities included. It was great, given the price. |
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| ▲ | hirsin 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | On top of the architectural challenges and efficacy of it, you have to contend with the terms of the bank loans that apply. Those are why the buildings "can't" lower rents to attract new business. If they sign a lease at a new lower rent it basically triggers a re-check of "can they repay the loan based on their rental income?", which comes back as "no". That trigger _doesn't_ occur if you just leave the building empty, with _no one_ paying rent, because your last mark to market rent was high enough. It's a shell game that eventually leads to the loan defaulting, but both the bank and the building owner are happy to pretend they can't see the train coming down the tracks at them. For an example of this in Seattle that everyone was calling years ahead of the collision, see the Martin Selig sagas https://deepnewz.com/real-estate/seattle-developer-selig-war... | | |
| ▲ | Avicebron 13 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's actually probably better as an art piece now that the I think about it. Giant, vacant towers locked by some asshole sitting in their second home in Nantucket, while hordes of homeless mill around the bottom. |
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| ▲ | cryzinger 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's not easy, but some people are trying it! https://www.npr.org/2026/02/21/g-s1-110595/from-cubicles-to-... | |
| ▲ | cozzyd 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I live in a converted office building I. Downtown Chicago . But it was built in 1913. Newer office buildings are less practical to convert due to larger floor plates. Older office buildings are smaller or have light wells etc. | |
| ▲ | forlorn_mammoth 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | might depend how different the codes are. could be a really expensive retrofit. Residential and office put different stresses on infrastructure. | |
| ▲ | readthenotes1 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Apparently it's really expensive to convert to meet reasonably sane residential standards. Add in required shrubbery, section 8 housing set-asides, rent control, etc., it becomes unattractive -- especially if the jobs have moved to business friendly suburbs | |
| ▲ | idontwantthis 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | The bipartisan housing bill that Trump has refused to sign included provisions for encouraging this. |
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| ▲ | xhkkffbf 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As the mayor says, "Bye!" |
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| ▲ | fragmede 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Zoning and other regulations getting the way of it being used. The city "just" needs to incentivize it getting used, and someone's gotta come to terms with losing money. |
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| ▲ | readthenotes1 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Isn't this the city of mayor "Buh bye millionaires"? Not sure the incentives will bring a useful change. |
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