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throw0101a 3 hours ago

> There are so many rooms, classrooms, movie theaters and other places with poor ventilation where you just feel dizzy, or fall asleep, not knowing it was just due to lower oxygen levels in your blood. Raising awareness is the only real solution.

Not wrong, but it is perhaps worth noting that there are already standards for proper ventilation. Generally you're looking at 5–10 cfm/person (2.5-5 L/s), depending on the facility and purpose of the room; see Table 6.2.2.1 in ASHRAE Standard 62.1 for the US:

* https://www.ashrae.org/file%20library/technical%20resources/...

Maybe set up a monitor, but if the room/facility has recently been renovated and meets modern (>2013) building codes, this 'should' have already been taken into account.

josephg 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Should…

Whenever I travel, I bring a CO2 meter with me. It’s amazing how often the air is bad. Often in unexpected places. My meter hit 3100 in an uber once. I didn’t even notice until I got to my hotel room and looked at the data log. It was a fresh, hot day outside. The uber had windows closed and AC on. I bet he had no idea - but he was driving with significant cognitive impairment. Takeoff and landing in planes are always the worst. If you get sleepy as the plane is taking off, it’s not you. The plane’s ventilation doesn’t work properly when the plane is stationary. So before a plane is in the air, they often hit 2500.

quickthrowman an hour ago | parent [-]

When was the last time you had that sensor calibrated properly with a can of test gas and a multimeter?

colechristensen an hour ago | parent [-]

Take it outside, as long as it measures 400-450 it's probably good.

Metrology calibration is necessary if you want accuracy better than 10%, but most of us don't care at all about that, instead we care about increments of 200ppm or more.

II2II 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Building codes that address this are wonderful, however:

- Plenty of people live or work in older buildings, where are not up to standard. For example: my office probably violates the air quality sensibilities of the Victorian era, which is when it was originally built.

- Equipment breaks down, isn't operated properly, or wasn't installed correctly. Having monitors that measure air quality is an extra check. While you may not be able to get direct action upon a consumer sensor, it can help you push for action.

I've been in buildings of varying quality over the years. I've seen how it takes time to get people in to do air quality testing. Heck, I saw the government claim that the air quality was acceptable in schools during the pandemic because the schools had passive ventilation systems. That meant they could open windows. (To be fair, the air quality in most of those buildings was probably fine since that was how the buildings were designed. That said, such standards make it easy for some buildings to slip through the cracks.)

So yeah, sensors to the people!

wouldbecouldbe 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think modern domestic houses its the opposite. At least in Netherlands insulation is such a strong focus, due to climate change I think, that modern appartments have terrible ventilation

throw0101a 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> I think modern domestic houses its the opposite. At least in Netherlands insulation is such a strong focus, due to climate change I think, that modern appartments have terrible ventilation

The link I pointed to is all about ventilation, so just because people ignored an important component of building science, and focused on one aspect, does not invalidate it.

And while climate change is important and using efficiency to deal with it is useful, the thermal control layer is actually the least important of the four:

* https://buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-001-the-p...

'Bulk' water (precipitation) and moisture can cause deterioration of the building materials (rot, crumbling), and also mold, which has its own health effects. Leaky houses can often blow conditioned air at much faster rates than thermal leakage.

hydevito 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Stayed at a beautiful new house in Finland, with five people instead of the usual two, the CO2 detector intermittently went off while we were sleeping. Which the hosts assured us was a faulty detector. They also spoke to how extremely energy efficient the house was, to us it seemed like there wasn't enough ventilation, to improve the insulation. Against their wishes, I slept with all windows fully cracked, which was only ~2 inches due to the "efficient" design.

pieterhg 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This was probably CO not CO2? A CO2 monitor doesn't "go off", it just silently reports. CO would go off because it's deadly to have a CO leak.

OptionOfT 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How modern? We built or house in Belgium in 2016, and it was completely sealed, very well insulated, but the air quality was good because we had mechanical ventilation. Clean air blown in, stale air extracted which then went through a heat exchanger.

The only issue this house had was it overheated. We had glass facing south. Even in winter it instantly became too hot.

HPsquared 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Heat recovery ventilation is the answer to this. You also get the benefit of being able to filter it.

throw0101a 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

Energy recovery ventilation is the answer to this.

HRVs only deal with temperature, but then you have humidity that is non-controlled: moisture coming in during the summer, and getting vented out in the winter (too-dry air coming in).

ERVs handle both.

avhception 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A friend of mine recently moved to a modern apartment, built only a few years ago to a very high isolation standard (Germany). I stayed over night and slept on his couch, the air got really really dry and stuffy. It was really uncomfortable.

xyzzy_plugh 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is correct, but there's still a lot of opportunity to do better.

I've been involved with the build out of several office spaces in new and old buildings. We always took this sort of thing seriously and measured each room independently for a week (many at a time) ensuring we accounted for periods of high occupancy.

This let us tune the HVAC systems to operate more efficiently, ensuring comfortable temperatures and air circulation. Every time I've seen this done there were structural deficiencies that required remediation, some times it meant adjusting duct work.

Most modern office buildings are designed to be a platform for constructing spaces, as spaces usually evolve and change between leases and tenants. They're designed to accommodate this sort of thing.

However I've found that no build out nails this the first time. It's very hard! Often times things look fine but once you get people in the space things change drastically. It requires time and effort to address.

Several of my offices had such good air that I'd prefer being there over pretty much anywhere else -- even outside on poor AQI days.

I've also found that a lot of offices don't do any of this and their air quality is noticeably poor. And lastly I've found that the oldest buildings, including schools -- and I'm talking really old -- have very good air because they are so incredibly leaky. They're usually harder to cool and heat, though.