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| ▲ | cvoss 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Yes, it does need to be said. Many people will read this article and miss the satire, which is, in part, the intent of sophisticated satire. The point is that it is outlandish and foolish and ridiculous and yet still resembles some serious discourse that real people engage in. So much so that some onlookers can't tell the difference. That proves the satirist's thesis: the real world is full of ridiculous people making ridiculous arguments and they can't even see themselves or their arguments for what they are. I know real life people who write essays with claims as outlandish as "software engineering is an ableist field" and are dead serious. But that assertion belongs just as well in a satire piece. It can be very hard to tell if you don't have prior context for the author. |
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| ▲ | swatcoder 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Among others, the voices on the internet include: * some sincere people with very extreme takes, * some trolls that masquerade as the above, to bully others over their credulousness and lack of guile, which is distinct from sarcasm, * some trolls that insincerely speak anything that earns engagement, * and more and more bots that mimic the above So sadly, the answer to your question is generally yes. |
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| ▲ | H8crilA 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When I started reading it I thought for far too long that this person is actually stupi^H^H^H^H^H serious. So writing that it is satire is useful for people that do not read enough of the text, and just jump into the comments :) Also, this type of behavior has little to do with the neurodivergent spectrum, if anything it touches personality types, maybe maybe some trauma or addiction, unlikely to be caused by anything in the affective space (episodes would be too short) or psychosis space. |
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| ▲ | em-bee 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | same, i didn't catch the satire and eventually got tired of the stupidity. the thing is, a lot of people around me are using AI like the person in the story. and they are entirely serious. they are not scientists but they could be writing this article and actually mean it. | |
| ▲ | xg15 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I was honestly unsure until the Netflix password bit gave it away... |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Honest question : does it need to be said ? Yes. There are literally people who believe any thinking done without AI is Luddite and subpar. These are not, in my experience, people who have done any great thinking in their lives. They do tend to tweet a lot. |
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| ▲ | mjr00 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Honest question : does it need to be said ? At the current time I'm writing this, all other top-level comments are engaging with the article as if it were sincere. So, yes. |
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| ▲ | ofjcihen 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think sometimes it is but only if the humor relies on a tone. When it’s satire I think the main blocker of recognition is if you have an emotional reaction first. As an example, if you are a diehard AI influencer or something you might miss the joke entirely because of the severity of your initial negative reaction. Just my two cents. Glad I could contribute to completely beating the humor out of this post :) |
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| ▲ | alterom 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, no, dissecting humor to death is the funnest part of the experience :D (I, too, am autistic) | | |
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| ▲ | Mistletoe 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes because Poe’s Law has never been more true than the current era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law |
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| ▲ | Dependance 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | How wow, it even has a name and a wikipedia article... Guess that makes it official then. We are all automatons pretending to be flesh :-) | | |
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| ▲ | vessenes 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It does, but unfortunately, this is in-crowd communication -- it's too high brow to hit anyone that needs to read it. But I enjoyed it, and I'm sure it was cathartic to write |
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| ▲ | pessimizer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| 1) No it does not have to be said. Nobody is forcing anyone to explain anything. 2) I think that the best satire is fair, and should read to the targets as real commentary. When someone takes your satire seriously, it means that you have successfully commented on reality. Is that inverse Poe's Law? Otherwise you're just putting words in your enemies' mouths that they would not ever say. I think people do this because they don't have the strength of their own convictions, and wouldn't be able to stand people not getting their joke (and worse, confusing them for extreme believers in something that they disdain.) To them I would suggest that one doesn't try to make arguments through satire, one rather demonstrate arguments through satire. If you need to make your argument with satire, you actually don't have an argument. Satire without a solid underpinning argument is just propaganda. |
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| ▲ | antonvs 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As often happens with satire, you could read it as satirizing the idea that people should entirely rely on their own knowledge and memory, without AI assistance. The response to the article depends heavily upon one’s perspective on the subject. |
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| ▲ | krater23 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's hardly too near on reality to not to say it. |
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| ▲ | CodesInChaos 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I regularly get reddit comments downvoted by people who don't recognize it's obviously satire. Sometimes somebody else comments "why is this getting downvoted, it's satire", and that stops or reverses the influx of downvotes. |
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| ▲ | PunchyHamster 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Humor died few years ago after series of increasingly more improbable events happening. "USA voted pedophile that bankrupted 3 casinos into second term" was stuff out of Onion decade ago, so some researcher walking into job interview with ChatGPT doesn't even move a needle on satire scale. |
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| ▲ | cyanydeez 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| do LLMs dream of electric shhhheeep |
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| ▲ | alterom 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As someone on the spectrum, I can assure you that being on the spectrum is not an obstacle for understanding this kind of humor. In fact, is the neurotypicals who struggle getting it because they rely on nonverbal cues (like a sarcastic tone of voice), which is missing in text, to detect humor. Deadpan, dry humor is generally more amenable to the autistic mind, because it doesn't have what we consider noise. If someone needs a laugh track to tell that something is a joke, then either it's a bad joke that wouldn't be made any better with a laugh track, or the problem exists between keyboard and chair. |
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| ▲ | bigstrat2003 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Is humor that hard to grasp on the internet ? Yes. Humor is very hard to grasp via text, especially sarcastic humor, because in person we use voice and body language to signal that something is meant as a joke. |
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| ▲ | necovek 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | While it is true humor is hard to grasp in text, it has been done that way for millenia in books, and it continued to work as it should. Actually, the fact that it is sometimes misunderstood as non-humor is for the better. | |
| ▲ | CodesInChaos 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And because we typically know enough about a person to tell if the opinion they expressed is consistent with their believes. | |
| ▲ | Planktonne 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean this sincerely, rather than as dismissal: humor is not very hard to grasp in text for people who are fully literate and fluent in the language being used. The problem we face is that a lot of people are in deep denial about their level of functional literacy. |
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| ▲ | EA-3167 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| On this site? Yes it does, and even then we have people missing the point in the comments. |
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| ▲ | ghusto 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| When it's this poorly executed, yes it needs to be said. I was going back and forth on whether it was for far longer than I should have been. |
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| ▲ | Planktonne 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > was going back and forth on whether it was for far longer than I should have been. Please consider that the fault here might be in you, not the text. | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > When it's this poorly executed, yes it needs to be said Isn't that a mark of great satire? That the argument sort of works within the zeitgeist, thereby showing the zeitgeist to be corrupted. Over-the-top satire is funny. But it's clumsy. The fact that some people who are being satirised will agree with the satire is what makes it great. |
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