| ▲ | manvel_hn 9 hours ago |
| So Kramnik, being a chess player and not a statistician, invented various methods of "detecting" cheating which seemed convincing for for a layman but questionable mathematically. Then he started attacking Daniel, Hikaru and some other players online. This all led to pretty tragic consequences. Kramnik still believes that he's in the right. The only good thing out of this is numerous funny videos by chess players trying to figure out intricacies of statistics and math. |
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| ▲ | zug_zug 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Not as a defense of Kramnik's behavior, but Naroditsky's death was determined not likely to be suicide: probable cardiac arrhythmia tied to systemic sarcoidosis, with methamphetamine/kratom as contributing factors. |
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| ▲ | FreakLegion 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm generally skeptical of causal narratives like this, but Naroditsky talked openly and at length about the ongoing physical and mental health effects of Kramnik's nonsense. So in this particular case, I'm comfortable blaming Kramnik either way. |
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| ▲ | alex1138 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Naroditsky played a match against Magnus that he streamed where it ended (this a 1+0 time control; yes you can cheat in bullet but it's clear he wasn't) in a 40-40 tie, this after he lost the first game from being distracted getting his stream set up properly He was one of the world's best bullet and blitz players, it was obvious he was never cheating. Kramnik was apparently one of his heroes. It was despicable behavior |
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| ▲ | IncreasePosts 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| A lot of people imagine chess players to he smart, but there's a video of asking grandmasters very simple (imho) general knowledge questions that they did absolutely abysmally at. It's probably safe to assume that someone who is really good at chess is actually bad at anything that isn't chess |
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| ▲ | kelipso 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A big percentage of the top grandmasters skip high school and almost none of them have went to college. They are “smart” in that they have the potential intelligence to learn that stuff, as demonstrated by them having learned chess, but they have basically no knowledge of statistics, mathematics, plenty of other general knowledge topics. From that point of view, you should really consider them to be as knowledgeable about these things as high school dropouts. It was hilarious following the whole cheating thing and seeing them try to interpret these statistical results and coming to really stupid conclusions. You could say it’s difficult to see them this way due to the cultural and historical perspectives on chess but this is the reality of top grandmasters at this time. | | |
| ▲ | IAmGraydon 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >A big percentage of the top grandmasters skip high school and almost none of them have went to college. They are “smart” in that they have the potential intelligence to learn that stuff, as demonstrated by them having learned chess, but they have basically no knowledge of statistics, mathematics, plenty of other general knowledge topics. Source? |
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| ▲ | wongarsu 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I would call chess players smart in the abstract sense. Playing chess requires both good "compute power", working memory, and long-term memorization. But to become grandmaster you have to dedicate a lot of your life to chess. It's not that these people couldn't know general knowledge or do higher math, they are simply not exposed to it. They are not smart in the sense of a universal genius, because that would require immersing yourself in all the things - the opposite of what a chess grandmaster does | |
| ▲ | matheusmoreira 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The ability to play chess is the sign of a gentleman. > The ability to play chess well is the sign of a wasted life. | | |
| ▲ | alex1138 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | - Paul Morphy, lawyer (I think). One of... well. Greatest of all time discussions are hard (times evolve) but he murdered his competition relative to his time | | |
| ▲ | IAmGraydon 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Morphy was certainly a freak of nature, sort of like Elizabeth in Queen's Gambit. Sadly, he lost his mind and died in his 40s. |
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