> It'll almost certainly be worth it, given the abusive behavior we've seen and will continue to see from the major closed-model providers.

The proper financial comparison for GLM-5.2 would be one of the providers on OpenRouter or renting a server as needed. Compare apples to apples.

You will almost certainly never break even compared to paying per token.

Local LLMs at this scale are only worth it if you have extremely strict requirements that data not leave the premises.

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jobeirne an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Or if you want to hedge against the various tail risks of third-party providers raising prices or denying you service or somehow abusing your data...

	▲	Aurornis an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> hedge against the various tail risks of third-party providers raising prices They could 10X the prices and you’d still be better off. It’s also unlikely that prices go up enough to warrant a $100K local investment to prevent paying a couple bucks per million tokens. > or denying you service I guess you’re not familiar with OpenRouter? There are many providers there. There are providers outside of OpenRouter. There will always be someone to take your business. > or somehow abusing your data... If data security is your concern then you’re better renting a server as needed still. If you cannot tolerate any data leaving, then local models are the only way. You pay a high premium for it!
	▲	incrudible an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Raising prices is not a tail risk, anything a local LLM setup can do for you can be done by any cloud provider, with the same capex as yours (or less), there is no moat here, so it is highy price competitive and will remain so. If you want to speculate on hardware shortages, that is a different business altogether and you need no janky garage setup to profit.

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CamperBob2 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Also agreed, it's definitely a sucker's game to run a high-end model locally, by any objective measure.

Still... if it's not your weights, running on your box, you're always going to be behind somebody else's 8-ball. Everybody has to decide for themselves where their priorities lie.