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linzhangrun 2 hours ago

For pure interaction, CarPlay as a generic solution is very hard to beat infotainment systems that are deeply integrated with the vehicle itself. Its advantages are mainly these:

- Consistency. You get into a new car, all you need to figure out is how to open CarPlay, no need to learning a completely different and often complicated infotainment system.

- "It's on your phone". You can decide what playlist to play or where to navigate before you even get into the car.

- Stays up to date over the long term. Just look at cars from five years ago. Most built-in infotainment systems are still stuck in that era, no matter how smart they once looked. CarPlay uses your phone as the main computing platform, and the car's infotainment system only needs to act as a thin client for I/O, it keeps updating with iOS.

alerighi 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I appreciate my 2011 vehicle that only has a car radio with FM tuner and CDs, and yes, I know that I could easily swap it but I didn't on purpose, let me explain why:

- all the controls that I need, that are basically volume, radio station or CD track, are easily accessible trough physical buttons and knobs, that I can use without taking my eyes off the street

- I get in the car, insert the key and the radio turns on instantly and start playing music, no things that have to boot, no things that have to connect, etc. I usually listen to the radio and I stay up to date with news, listen to programs, listen to music without the need to create a playlist, or not and always listen to the same songs, or worse paying a subscription to just listen to music

- if I want to listen something different I can just put in a CD, and considering it supports mp3 CDs a CD can contain up to 100 songs without a noticeable loss in quality

- the UI of the radio in general is well designed, no useless functions, everything is easy to reach, no distractions. The radio is well integrated into the car dashboard, the design has something to say, not like a boring 10' tablet

- no distractions, notifications from my phone stay on my phone, calls don't pop up, simply when I arrive at destination I recall saying I was driving, or respond to the message

- finally, the sound quality is good, much better than most of integrated infotainment in modern cars that have 2000 useless functions, a shitty touchscreen, and a very poor sound quality. If I turn the volume all way up it shakes the car, the quality of analog FM radio is much better than modern digital radio that have the quality of a low bitrate MP3, and we are talking about the stock radio of a VW Golf 6, a normal car (when I bought it in 2011), not something fancy.

rkangel an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The big thing for me is that the lifetime of a car is a lot longer than the technology development lifecycle.

I just bought a 10 year old Toyota estate (station wagon). It's got a reasonable screen and Bluetooth implementation etc. But I'm never going to want to use the built in navigation because it's just not as good as what my phone will do. And the audio integration isn't as sophisticated as it might be - I have to choose the app on my phone.

Whereas CarPlay/AndroidAuto is generic from the car point of view, and as phone features and software improve your car capability evolves too.

titanomachy 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

I’m sure the car manufacturers would much prefer if you updated your car as often as you do your phone.

linzhangrun 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

Current State of Chinese EV Manufacturers

HPsquared 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

Some of which are also phone manufacturers.

dlcarrier 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think that last one is a negative. I remember where the controls are in any given car, and would rather all of the controls in that care stay in the same place, even if that car is a decade old. Learning a different radio interface in each car isn't a big deal, because there's many more much more dramatic differences from car to car, so I have to learn that car anyway.

sedawkgrep 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

Auto manufacturers aren’t likely to provide updates over the long term.

Imagine if your ten year old car hasn’t seen an infotainment update in four+ years. Or if you want to buy used.

Personally I’d much prefer my phone. It’s baked into Apple/Google ‘s business model to keep it up to date.

Also I only need my phone’s subscription, not an additional one with the auto manufacturer.

IanCal an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also speed and connectivity. My car needs a screen and some low power chips. It’s ten years old and the maps and everything are snappy (low quality touch screen aside, but that’s not too bad) because it’s all running on my nice fast device I already own that’s much newer than the car.

linzhangrun an hour ago | parent [-]

That is what my 3 point covers: the in-vehicle system is just a thin client handling I/O :)

brookst an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You missed the biggest one: continuity. Start listening to music at home, take it to the car. Start a podcast in the car, finish it in the gym.

CarPlay is user-centric, which is why users like it. All these attempts to force people into a device-centric experience make no sense. I spent an hour or two a day, at most, in my car. My phone is within Bluetooth distance every waking moment. Why in the world would I want my car to be a disjointed experience?

zelos 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Locations as well. Carplay picks up locations from calendar appointments, messages etc, so very often you just plug it in and click "Go".

IanCal an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think this is in the same vein as continuity and user centric and what you were describing but it’s a different part - more than one person drives my car. I want my things and my wife wants hers. Having accounts or something extra on a new shared device is annoying.

darkwater an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That can be achieved if you are app-centric as well (i.e. Spotify app in al lthe places), but your point still stand nonetheless.

brookst 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

Agreed, if you’re a single-app user then something like Spotify works just as well, as long as they do a great job of maintaining to-the-second sync across devices. Audible does a good of that as well.

That just puts you in the space of needing all apps to be available on all devices.

linzhangrun an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's right, my 2 point wasn't complete enough

Mashimo an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> You missed the biggest one: continuity. Start listening to music at home, take it to the car. Start a podcast in the car, finish it in the gym.

That would still work, as you can use Bluetooth.

brookst 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

And use the phone’s UI for anything more complex the pause/skip?