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kstenerud a day ago

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tuvix a day ago | parent | next [-]

They will absolutely be missed, maybe not by any individual but the impact of them leaving will be felt. People willing to go to bat for code quality and who are also careful about copyright and the community aspect of open source is why this whole thing worked in the first place.

kstenerud a day ago | parent | next [-]

Copyright won't be a problem. There's enough big business wrapped up in AI usage that the laws will bend towards them. Code quality and community don't die just because people haven't quite figured out how to use the new tools properly yet; quality merely dips for awhile, and the community continues as before. We survived PHP. We can survive this.

theLiminator a day ago | parent [-]

If anything I think discipline and rigor will go up.

I think it will force us to adopt stronger type systems, formal methods, and more automated verification.

peteforde a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I disagree, but not in a downvote sort of way. I think your position is defensible, but there is a valid second perspective.

The sorts of folks who "won't be missed" put pedantry over productivity. To paint with a very broad brush, it's been my experience that they also tend to be stubborn and frustrating team members who don't understand that there's a time to debate and the rest of the time is for shipping.

kordlessagain a day ago | parent | prev [-]

5 years ago, I would agree with you. But when you go ALL IN on LLM development, and use annealing with multi-agent harnesses, these issues disappear. One caveat: I build everything off other things that originated with my own hand written code. Auth for my site, for example. Also, most of my current projects are packed with advice I've rendered to the LLM on how git commits go down and cadence of those commits into deployments. Claude Code rarely fucks this up, and has memories and plan files that it updates if we find a hole. So, I'm comfortable with an occasional hiccup in the process. It'll get caught, eventually. Maybe. ;)

A recent analysis on my Claude Code prompts showed 1.5B input tokens over the last few months. I use 4-5 provider agents (all CLI) DAILY, so this is a small subset. I spend a lot of time using transcription services to drone on about how some agent fucked things up and how I want it fixed and how to do it.

To assist with that process, I'm currently building out a search engine that is exposed via MCP to allow auditing of the dev runs. I already have the foundation of file changes (ala Splunk style) that let me keep an eye on the agents, and an agentic terminal that allows one agent to keep an eye on what the other agent is whacking on. Combined with my constant badgering for proper systems development, these things are improving the process at an acclerated rate.

Look, I get being an "engineer" on these types of things, and I think there is an absolute purity in pushing LLM generated code out of a codebase you control. That said, that's not the ONLY way to do things, and your milage will vary based on your systems thinking hat. I prefer to push hard on getting the outcomes and sacrifice the exhaustive process of reviewing every single line of code.

Consider frameworks. They make things easier to do, if they are complete and stable. There's an argument here that LLM harnesses should probably not ALSO be maintained by LLMs (something I'm completely ignoring so probably ironic I'm mentioning it). But the point being is the harnesses SHOULD have eyes on most lines of code. Eyes on every package though? Hard to say. I've settled on doing most stuff in Rust nowadays, just because it keeps the LLM more honest. And, we can build most "packages" by hand so we can change them to match our outcomes without code bloat. By bitching at it about code refactoring constantly, annealing the codebase by high level overview, not exhaustive review, I've found things get easier to work on as I go and still stay sane.

I do catch the LLMs occasionally hard coding things that belong in their own file or configs, and am a hardass about that and file length. I do read some code and hate it being overly long (and it sucks for burning tokens).

FWIW, I typed all this out on my keyboard myself. However, if I ran it through an LLM for cleanup or whatever, the very wall of text itself helps FORCE the LLM to stick to the substantive argument and steers it away from slop prompts. The same applies to code, if you are careful.

jurgenaut23 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The fact that you think that way is probably because they have something that they care enough about to go to such extremes. I think they deserve a lot of admiration.

pull_my_finger a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ethically, selling code or programs built on other peoples code without consent is wrong.

Legally, it's probably also unlawful, unless you believe that smoke they're selling that it was trained on code that was open licensed or in the public domain.

Professionally, it's a poor choice to ship code that wasn't produced with human care and consideration or even thorough oversight or understanding based on recent trends.

Software developers like to call themselves "engineers", but more and more they're showing they're more than happy to be configurators of black boxes of modular software. Whether that means pulling random NPM packages with thousands of other random packages as dependencies (none of which are even browsed or licenses checked), or "vibe coding" slop the LLM spits out.

When the main problem was people assembling random packages, I always likened it to "sandwich artists" at Subway. They just stand behind the counter and configure the product of random combinations of ingredients (someone else's NPM packages). Now it's like they can't even see the selection of ingredients, they just grab handfuls and shove it together until they get something sandwich shaped. Bad times in software.

scotty79 a day ago | parent [-]

Most software of the future will have userbase of 1.

You won't be selling software. You'll be selling a service of assisting someone so they can build software for themselves.

slopinthebag a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They will be missed. The people who won’t be missed are those who delegate their thinking and knowledge building to LLMs. They’re already obsolete.

LandoCalrissian a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ah yes, open source will be better with less people who can actually write code.

bigstrat2003 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

If all the people who actually know how to program and care about quality get pushed out by the AI bros, software will collapse. I'll certainly miss them when that happens.