> Google made Android open source for free

And Hitler built the highways in Germany. What does that even prove? They can still abuse Android for vendor lock-in, or as a sales funnel to their commercial offerings, or as a data source for a myriad of things users did never really consent to.

> As usual Europe can't innovate so just taxes people out of their market entirely.

Yawn. Last time I looked, big tech is still wholly present all across the EU, only that I have the option to install apps from alternative stores on my iPhone. Also, the EU as an institution isn't the same thing as European companies. Go check the machines in any factory near you, and I can pretty much guarantee you'll find a German one in it.

> Have you guys ever considered making your own operating system?

You might want to look up where Linus Torvalds created Linux.

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bilekas 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Go check the machines in any factory near you, and I can pretty much guarantee you'll find a German one in it.

It is always interesting to see how underestimated the EU is in terms of manufacturing and pharma for example, they're unsung and not always glamourous industries, but nobody does them like the EU.

The tech innovation does happen more in the US, there has always been simply more private capital thrown around there and thats fine. Comparing the EU and the US in terms of economic activities and procedures is a futile exercise. They're just not the same, and thats by design.

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petcat 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> You might want to look up where Linus Torvalds created Linux.

He also immediately relocated to the US and made the Linux Foundation an American company though.

	▲	9dev an hour ago \| parent [-]
		That still doesn’t take away from the point that innovation does happen in Europe; the first version of Linux was created and released while he was at the university of Helsinki. If you want another example, Fraunhofer created the MP3 format, which went on to revolutionise the world of digital audio. Many of the LLM foundational science came from European scientists. However, when it comes to ones to turning science into products, the USA seems to have an edge quite often. It’s just not as mono-dimensional as GP framed it.

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hparadiz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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	▲	9dev 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Eh, if that’s the only thing you read from that comment, I’m not really interested in continuing the conversation. The opportunities for tech are worse in the EU compared to the US, nobody denies that. But I don’t think the existence of Google and Apple is the only criterion of success to judge a continent on. The world has room for different approaches to things.