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himata4113 2 hours ago

I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent.

Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be treated like this, mythos I could maybe believe that it runs inside government compliant datacenters which have a proven track record, but something as valuable as a 'world ending' model invites state sponsored actors to put in significantly more effort into exfiltrating it.

Whatever the real story is I doubt this is as ground-breaking as anthropic claims it to be.

noosphr 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

We've been told models are too dangerous since gpt2.

There comes a point where you not only want the boy to stop crying wolf, but hopefully be eaten by one.

matheusmoreira an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mythos somehow leaking and becoming usable by all humanity in a self-hosted manner would probably be the optimal long term outcome.

mrcwinn 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

We can’t buy affordable memory for Fortnite but everyone is running Mythos locally? Is this the year of Linux on the desktop too?

palata 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

I think they meant more "every country can host it", as opposed to "every human hosts it at home".

teravor 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

i believe it's more complicated than that. i know that nvidia offers TEE for their overpriced offerings. i would assume they make use of that so the weights are encrypted.

this doesn't mean it cannot leak but it would be a major undertaking.

this is why anthropic isn't that worried about having Elon service their models. the workflow would be something like handshaking with the nvidia TEE, provisioning it with your keys and then uploading encrypted weights. there is probably also a timer in there so you can't continue operating the nvidia box with the stolen weights without a heartbeat signal.

himata4113 2 hours ago | parent [-]

There's so many points of failure before it ever reaches gpus.

Davidzheng 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think Anthropic is claiming it's world ending? Just that it has offensive cybersecurity abilities which can be dangerous

himata4113 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Cyber-warfare is pretty world-ending these days. Our relatively peaceful world is built on top of mutual destruction.

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48633023

dakolli an hour ago | parent [-]

Why would you believe anything an intelligence agency says? Half their job is spreading fear and obfuscating the truth.

cheesemayo an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

What they claim is immaterial.

prokopton 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most likely it'll try to rewrite the whole world's CSS and get the custom properties wrong.

vlovich123 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is the model structure going to be easy to reverse engineer just from the weights? Also, I'm going to guess it's an MoE and thus it's possible there's no single machine that hosts all of Fabel / Mythos.

himata4113 2 hours ago | parent [-]

kvcache residency requirements and general latency for good throughput wants good locality, but you're right it could be split across multiple different parts of a single datacenter, but as I mentioned before the weakest link is before the model is ever loaded onto the gpus.

as for reverse engineering I doubt it's something that state sponsored actors would struggle with for too long.

fny 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Security has always been and always will be a game of cat and mouse.

We all need cyborg cats to hunt cyborg mice. There's no other compromise unless you want a rat infestation.

tclancy 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

We could also encourage people to bring us cyborg cobras.

brokencode 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yup, but apparently our cyborg cats can only be kittens and the cyborg mice are probably going to be like 4 feet tall. At least according to the US government.

NamlchakKhandro 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Fido the Rat Thing

jaggederest an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's probably a huge file though, I would guess it's at least a multi terabyte file.

jasonfarnon 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

The spotify leak on the front page a while back mentioned a 300TB torrent

jaggederest 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

I suspect that might have been more than one file - I wonder how many files make up the shipping bundle for Fable 5?

DyslexicAtheist 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

most of it is overstated because of marketing. in fact the ban looked like an inside job by the current administration to play with the stock value. if the ban did anything it was to make every n00b agree that Anthropic was so far ahead of its times it needed to be banned.

human305893 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I feel like I'm loosing my mind with the way people are falling for the marketing with every iteration. Is it better, sure but it's still just a LLM.

nickv an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Stock value?

llm_nerd 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

Not publicly traded as they haven't IPOd yet (the part where those closely held shares become publicly traded), but Anthropic does absolutely have shares, and there is a valuation on those shares. I don't quite understand how the administration is playing this, beyond the normal corrupt protection racket stuff they're doing all the time now, but Dario is absolutely gearing every public apocalyptic prediction on juicing the "stock".

I mean, if the matryoshka doll rent-a-gpu farce that is SpaceX somehow is worth $2T with their garbage child porn xAI, Anthropic must be worth quadzillions.