At least the model weights are open, I’m not American, so to me this is much more trustworthy in every possible way. You’re talking as if US intelligence are the good guys, and to me at least, they are not to any extent.

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LeBit 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We are talking about an agent harness here, not a model.

Nevertheless, Americans thinking they are morally superior to China is always quite funny.

This administration is corrupt, cruel and doesn’t care about human rights.

And the worst is… Americans have voted for that administration…. twice!

I digress…

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patrickprunty 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How is this an agent harness? It’s the harness and the model if it’s weights

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snootypoot 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

foolish to blame one administration rather than all administrations since jfk was killed for trying to change things

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dakolli 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

While Trump is terrible, all the same morally questionable practices existed under Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden. This administration just likes to brag about it. The US has been controlled by an evil technocracy/intelligence apparatus for 25+ years that gives zero f*ks about democracy or a constitution.

	▲	100721 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> all the same morally questionable practices existed under Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden. I’m gonna need a citation on this claim

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galaxyLogic an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What can you gain by looking at the weights, whether open source or not? Are they not what determines the model's output, but in an oblique way? We can't really fix the weights ourselves, weight by weight, or can we?

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dakolli 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There's no way to safely use SOTA LLMs if privacy, and IP protection are your concern. Unless you want to spend 100k+ to host a 1T param model. Even if you use OpenCode you're sending all that information to random data centers you know nothing about.

But yes, US intelligence has killed and ruined the lives of far more people than China has. Not sure how so many people buy into the narrative that they're protecting freedom and democracy.. They're protecting their freedom to kill and crush all their enemies and control every "democracy" on earth.

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andy99 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You can run one on a cloud provider. You’re correct that intelligence orgs probably still can access them, but if you’re that high value of a target then you have bigger problems and / or can afford to build an air gapped system or whatever. If you’re just concerned about other companies mining your messages, self hosting in the cloud solves that.

Reminds me a bit of the old “is your adversary Mossad or not Mossad” decision matrix https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1401_08-12_mickens.pdf

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switchbak 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"US intelligence has killed and ruined the lives of far more people than China has" - please provide a strong argument for this statement, with numbers and sources.

I'm no apologist for the US Intelligence and related organizations (not by a very long shot), but that is a very extreme statement to make.

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ai_fry_ur_brain 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

How many Russians, Palestinians, Afghanis, Libyan, Sudanrse, Somalian, Syrians, Iranians and Yemenis people do you think US intelligence has contributed to killing over the last decade?

Or are those not people to you?

China doesn't go around the world using it's military to force it's will upon people.

Every decision the US military, or State Department makes is a product of US intelligence

The foundation of US Intelligence was built by people who literally cried in the meeting when FDR broke ties with Nazi Germany. They proceeded to pardon and protect the perpetrators of genocide after ww2, then went onto hire them. US intelligence is literally built by Nazis.

The CCP was founded on the back of a peasent uprusing. The US is the 4th Reich and the most evil government to ever exist. The people of the US are generally good people, but the Empire itself is pure evil that fuels itself with death and destruction.

	▲	seanmcdirmid 13 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> China doesn't go around the world using it's military to force it's will upon people. No, they use it on their own people. Come on, the USA is bad, but comparing it to China isn’t going to show the contrast you are looking for.