If you think the US has an "abysmal" track record on this, what words would you use to describe China's track record?

npongratz 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Abysmal", but that's beside the point.

Suppose a US citizen, residing and working in the US and never traveling to China, crosses The Powers That Be. Which Power is more likely to do worse things to said citizen? Pretty unlikely they'll be rendered to one of the illegal Chinese jails in Brooklyn, more likely they'll be sent to Gitmo or a black site.

	▲	londons_explore 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		This. For a typical citizen, your own government is a far bigger threat than a foreign one. That's why, all other things equal, I try to keep my own government happy or ignorant, but don't really mind what I share with foreign governments, especially ones who won't forward the info to my own government.
	▲	estearum 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		That's actually not beside the point as it relates to GP's comment.

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bayarearefugee 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Both are abysmal, but as a US citizen bad behavior from Chinese corporations and government is vastly more limited in how negatively it can impact my life in a practical way than bad behavior from US corporations and government.

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Natfan 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

also abysmal. two things can be bad at the same time

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pkulak 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah, but if you reach for the top shelf every time you need a word, you can't compare things anymore.

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preg_match 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s just a coincidence that both the US and china have the absolute worst privacy concerns. They are the top shelf IMO. Comparing them I’d say they’re about equal, really, especially once we consider the financial sector and credit.

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estearum 2 hours ago | parent [-]

lmfao

You know you're sitting here on the open Internet complaining about the US government with literally zero fear of any repercussions in any sense whatsoever?

You should go to an actual authoritarian country and just ask someone their opinion on their government.

The difference between flippant, hyperbolic complaining (you) and someone who will actually glance over their shoulder and totally clam up in response to that type of question is quite chilling in reality.

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preg_match 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The US is not authoritarian. But in terms of surveillance and privacy violations, we’ve really pushed it to the absolute limit. All of your communications are effectively tapped, especially since the US government can coerce private companies without letting you know.

There are very few exceptions, and of those that exist virtually all are under existential threat constantly.

	▲	estearum 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		No, we haven’t “pushed it to the absolute limit.” We’ve pushed it to (and sometimes beyond) what’s Constitutional etc, but no, that’s not “the absolute limit.” In other countries you can just be beheaded for saying negative things about the government. No trial necessary. No, it’s quite illegal for the government to coerce private companies. Companies can and should and do sue the government for this.

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LtWorf 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Perhaps you have not heard of Francesca Albanese?

USA government does repercussions, severe ones.

	▲	estearum 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Wow, is GP afraid of being sanctioned? Big if true, but I doubt it.

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froh42 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

But really, where is the difference in data misuse from the US and China? Because the US has been "friends" in the past?

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D2OQZG8l5BI1S06 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"abysmal" probably.

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Yiin 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

depends if you look through China citizen point of view or someone in the west