Why?

Is there a lower form of “art” than always online AAA garbage?

Im not going to lose any sleep over _COD 75: More of the Same Bullshit_ becoming lost media

VortexLain a day ago | parent | next [-]

A lot of lost media used to be considered garbage before it has gotten completely lost. Culture is always worth preserving, at least for historic purposes.

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Blackthorn a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most art is garbage, doesn't mean it's okay to make it inaccessible by fiat.

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canthonytucci 21 hours ago | parent [-]

Let’s take all these games as great artworks - why don’t their creators have the right to destroy them?

All my own art is derivative schlock, so maybe I’m biased, but I don’t see how the viewer/consumer whoever has any say in the matter. The show is over when it’s over.

Should be compel musicians to record every live performance and make those available to people who couldn’t make it to the show too?

What if someone was in the bathroom during their favorite song, should we compel an encore?

Maybe it’s ok for some things to be ephemeral.

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Blackthorn 20 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Let’s take all these games as great artworks - why don’t their creators have the right to destroy them?

Because they sold them. They put it out in the world. If they just made it and then immediately destroyed it, wonderful! But they didn't.

And, also, their creators are not a monolith. They were worked on by hundreds of hands. The production company shouldn't get to unilaterally make that decision.

> Should be compel musicians to record every live performance and make those available to people who couldn’t make it to the show too?

This is this and that is that.

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canthonytucci 17 hours ago | parent [-]

> Because they sold them. They put it out in the world. If they just made it and then immediately destroyed it, wonderful! But they didn't.

They sold a pass to play the game while it was open. Just like a swimming pool or a buffet.

Just because we got an executable software instead of a wrist band doesn’t change what it is.

Is the naming convention the sticking point here?

Did we really think it meant “all you can eat until the heat death of the universe”?

> And, also, their creators are not a monolith. They were worked on by hundreds of hands. The production company shouldn't get to unilaterally make that decision.

Why not?

I have never had a say as a developer or designer of other software when the company turned off products, how much we charged customers, what the SLA was etc. etc. etc.

I signed a contract to do a job on a thing. Regardless of how much pride I took in my work I understood the license it would be distributed under and what my role was.

We can form guilds or join coops if we want a say. Labor has pull before and during the work. Get it in writing. After the fact we’re fucked. Welcome to earth. Sucks here but we make do.

> This is this and that is that.

But this is that. They sold us a concert ticket. We checked the checkbox next to the EULA. Nobody made us do it.

I get the ick from this kind of game it so I stopped buying them, except for when I do. Just like I stopped eating Doritos.

I don’t expect something that comes in a colorful crinkly bag at gas station to be healthy and I don’t expect a game sold by some big studio to not be ripping me off.

The idea of interacting with lawyers and politicians to solve the problem of “some of my luxury goods are a bad value” never crossed my mind.

	▲	Blackthorn 17 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Sorry, but I don't believe in the categorical imperative. This is this and that is that.

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account42 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Let’s take all these games as great artworks - why don’t their creators have the right to destroy them?

Because the only reason they received copyright protection in the first place (which is a severe limitation of everyone else's free speech) is to encourage them to contribute to our culture by making the games. You don't get to destroy artworks after the fact that were commissioned and fully paid for.

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junon a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's just, like, your opinion man.

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gambiting a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I cannot explain how offensive this is to work of people who work on these games. Years and years of my life working on some incredible AAA games and you call it garbage because it's always online. Like, you think all the effort, all the actual art, music, writing, lore, world building....all of it garbage, because the game is online only? Do you think WoW is garbage and "art" in quotes?

I mean, it's the internet, you can have whatever opinion you want. But imho this is a particularly nasty and unkind opinion.

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triangleman a day ago | parent | next [-]

He thinks AAA games are garbage, not because they are online but because they are AAA. Similar to people's opinions about Marvel films and other high budget productions.

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canthonytucci a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m calling it garbage because the content is boring and the gameplay is tired for well over 99 out of 100 games I see.

The music, visual design, dialogue and “world building” of most games (indie and AAA) is trite recycled junk that without the budget would be indistinguishable from the output of a high school drama club (at best).

That’s before we talk about the cynical stuff like the always online, the loot boxes, the decontenting, the Day 1 dlc, the lack of physical disks you can share with friends or sell to GameStop, the bugs, the prices, etc. etc. etc.

I have failed at enough art and software myself to totally appreciate how much effort it takes to ship something even on the level of the crap that most games are. That doesn’t mean I think that makes them precious and people should be compelled to preserve them. Slop is slop regardless of if it was made by a human or a robot.

People put a lot of effort in to a lot of things that yield boring and or unethical results all the time, I don’t know why people treat games as some special case.

	▲	gambiting 17 hours ago \| parent [-]
		>>I don’t know why people treat games as some special case Well, clearly.

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kuerbel a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't know what you worked on but I'm sure it brought joy to a lot of people.